BPS and ROF, who do you think you're fooling?

[Cliffio]

ahh thanks manike
i didnt catch that when i read it
i thought he was talkin to me??
i was like HUH?

wow, me = confused:)

thanks


what dwell would it be set on to get higher rof?
stock is what? 14 i think?

[AngelBoy]

I can get around 9 in games. Ive gotten 12 before but that was because i was fannin the trigger. I've seen the videos of emags and warps and halos and ive never seen ANYBODY shoot that fast. Ive never seen someone shoot more than 13 in real life. Most people that say they can get 14-15 cps and then when i put em on my angel it only reads up to about 8 or 9 and i laugh and walk away.

[zads27]

Hey guys, sorry but the Angel LCD ROF counter does NOT average between the two fastest shots, and figure out how fast you're shooting just from those two-
Well, my 2k Dark Angel LCD doesn't, at least, I'm pretty certain..

I can hit 14 cps on the counter fanning, and 12 cps (hit 13 once) just regular pulls, though this was recorded using the disputed lcd rof. (This is only cycling the solenoid, no balls, or anything.. just solenoid)
I could hit 11 cps on a regular automag valve (non-rt) mag. This was recorded on an audio cassette tape, and then later reviewed by myself and a friend.

On to the disputed LCD counter.. If I pull two shots as fast as possible on my LCD, then don't shoot anymore, the ROF will show 2. The same goes if I pull it once, pause for any given time under a second, and then pull again. (The ROF still shows 2)
If I pull 3 shots, in the same fashions, check the ROF, it shows 3.
And I go so on and so forth, all the way up to 12. (though at the higher rates of fire i can't conclusively tell that I'm pulling exactly 11 shots, exactly 12 shots, or whatever, since it takes a sort of concentration to rip shots that fast)
So, unless I'm mistaken, this is nearly conclusive, assuming I didn't make my respective test pulls exactly 500ms, 333ms, 250ms, etc,. apart, which I'm certain I did not.

I'm not saying my test is completely conclusive, I do suppose some weird programming or something could do this mystical multiplication thing, but from what I found, it doesn't lie.

[deded]

Alright... this is my untechnical, unmathematical opinion.

I think having a consistantly high ROF is way more important then a super high max ROF.

This is to say that being able to hit 7 bps with ease is more important then 13 bps when concentrating as hard as you can on pulling the trigger right.

This is IMHO where high quality electros have an advantage over mechanicals. (I've never shot a retro though, so go figure)

I can most likely get 7-9 bps out of my mag, but I've never measure. It is possible to get a higher ROF, but I'd say that it is much easier to get one with a mouse click than a mag trigger.

So when I snap shoot, I probably shoot about 3-5 balls. Where as the guy snapping at me with the angel is getting 5-7 every peak.

So I think high consistant ROF is extremely important. Screw a meaningless number that someone on the other side of the internet claims to have gotten.

Anyway, thats my opinion (however convoluded it sounds)

:)

[Nitroduck]

Deded- Well said...
One important thing about high ROF...It might not come in the form of holding X ammount of balls in 1 second......One of the most important things I've found with my Angel is the fact I can pop out, take about 5 shots in 1/3rd of a second (or whatever BPS I have my gun set at), and pop back in...With my Cocker/Mag, I can't really do 5 shots in 1/3rd of a second like my Angel can..Of course, if I spent more time tricking my Mag out..Im sure a a RT/Intelliframe could do near the same..

Also, Zads...Some of the newer LCDs dont have the 2 shots = 20bps programming the older ones had...But I do know that I read many posts on Paintballcity back in the day about 20bps Angels and why thier boards would say that.

[~WarpedRT~]

High...
Low..
After I bunker you, your going to have alot of welts.

LOL! j/k.

Anyway, I suppose I could get out about 8-9, and probably 10 if amped enough in a game. It doesnt matter though. Well placed shots are more important than a long string. If you can effectivly single shoot someone and get them out (on purpose) then you are more dangerous than anyone who can throw a wall of paint and hit nothing. Using a high rate of fire all the time will probably degrade your skills. If you fire 12 bps all the time, try using a pump, and you'd probably get nailed really early in the game.

On a side note, I noticed something funny. When I happen to break a ball at any time for what ever reason, I couldnt hit any desired tree (or anything else), within ten shots. But in a game, I can single shoot people all the time just after a ball breaks in the barrel. I happen to be able to get a single shot off, and must return to cover, but stay up just long enough to see the ball spiral around and hit the desired person. It's funny. It has hapened alot, but nwo that I have the chopping fixed, I will be getting a Freak set, so I guess I wont need to be worrying about that anymore.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Originally posted by Nitroduck

We had 2 paints, Team Colors and Proball. It litterally took 20 shots to get a break on most parts of the body.
When we were playing the best team there at the tournament (Crow Dogs, who all use AdrenS Angels, or Darks, or such) who could beat us any time of the day with thier ROF because it only took them 1 and 1/2 seconds to put out 20 balls, and one of which always broke...The only reason we lost was because we were using guns with a lower ROF (Mags, Cockers, and a bm2k guy who didnt learn his trigger as fast as he could)....I took 20 shots at one of thier guys w/ my mag, hit him about 15 times, no breaks, then by the time he wised up, it took him and his buddies about 1/2 a second to finally get a break on me...That made me get a Angel and to this day, I've never had a problem taking out a person quickly.

[Cliffio]

yeah that was my bad, i just didnt catch that
im stupid
somehow i thought u were talkin to me, cause i said somethin about 15 bps

sorry:)
Cliff

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

it's all good, it happens