2 guns, 2 noids, how to alternating off one trigger/switch

[LK-13]

if you have 2 guns, each with their own sear and noid, and you want them to shoot alternating off one trigger/switch....
is there a board currently made that can do this?
would a custom board need to be made?
anyone know someone that could make such a board?
would the battery need to be located at the control box or at the solenoid?

thinking about something like this for a vehicle mounted "Deck Gun"




this is for a 4 year old project that I just might have found the answer to!

[athomas]

Use a standard board. Then for the second solenoid control, construct a simple circuit to fire on the trailing edge of the first solenoid. That would make the second gun fire as the first solenoid was returning. You could easily make the 2nd pulse a predenterminded dwell value so the gun would still fire properly and efficiently.

[LK-13]

Use a standard board. Then for the second solenoid control, construct a simple circuit to fire on the trailing edge of the first solenoid. That would make the second gun fire as the first solenoid was returning. You could easily make the 2nd pulse a predenterminded dwell value so the gun would still fire properly and efficiently.

OK, i think I'm with you on this, but I'm an electronics idiot, while i can make basic connections and things like that, constructing complex circuits is kind of beyond me.

it sounds like your well versed in this kind of thing, if i was to break down exactly what i need
in a much better drawing than what i have posted so far, would you be willing to write a how to and detail the drawing accordingly?

I'm very good at following step by step directions.

Decker on the MCB has suggested i use the Morlock board, would you agree?

[outreach]

i had an idea of an ego frame with the eblade board in it

[LK-13]

i know the drawing is butt fuggly but this is a rough idea of how i see it.
let me know if you think it's possible or if I'm daft.

[questionful]

If you get two boards, you could just use a toggle instead of a switch.

[athomas]

Decker on the MCB has suggested i use the Morlock board, would you agree?

A morlock board is small and easy to use, plus it gives you lots of firing modes.

There are different ways to do this.

1) create 2 trigger pulses to 2 boards. The 2nd trigger pulse can be delayed by a predetermined time value.

2) use the board output to start a second output pulse from a dedicated circuit to drive the 2nd solenoid.


3) Use a morlock board that has programming for two distinct outputs. It is designed for a double action ram but it should work nicely in your instance as well. This is my recommendation.

[Spider-TW]

Would a morlock board be able to sustain two sear trip solenoids, or will it need some auxiliary circuits for powering those?

[Pneumagger]

what kind of solenoids are you planning on using.
Without ULT in each valve a pancake noid isn't going to work.
Plus,the ULTs those dual pancake noids will be end of days for batteries.

[Spider-TW]

Since he's thinking vehicle mount, he will just have to tap the vehicle electrical system. That would open up the solenoid selection greatly, but you would have to put some isolation or filtering on there to keep the 12 V switching from hitting the morlock. But by the time you do that, you may just want to have a plain timer circuit instead of the morlock.

An alternator and a scuba tank make great accessories for a pair mags. You'll need the electrical supply for a pair of warp feeds anyway.

[Spider-TW]

I bet Luke or one of his peers could cut a plate of aluminum that would be the equivalent of two mag rails side by side for a decent price. After you add picatinny rails, 3D milling and anno the price may get pretty stiff though

That plate could be the connection to your vehicle mount and trigger mechanism. Which reminds me, you will want to control each mag separately for trouble shooting; maybe just a jumper.

[LK-13]

I bet Luke or one of his peers could cut a plate of aluminum that would be the equivalent of two mag rails side by side for a decent price. After you add picatinny rails, 3D milling and anno the price may get pretty stiff though

That plate could be the connection to your vehicle mount and trigger mechanism.

interesting idea.
but before i go doing anything like that,
i think that the triggering system is going to take some experimentation first to get that section up and running.
then I'll worry about mounting guns and stuff to the different applications i have in mind.
you see i also want a version of this in a wood stock and another that is off a gauntlet type
grip so it's almost a deck gun pistol lol.

[LK-13]

you will want to control each mag separately for trouble shooting; maybe just a jumper.

that is the idea behind the cables,
if one gun seems to be malfunctioning you can just unplug it for testing
and or sub in a new one.
i want the whole system to be plug and play interchangeable.
additionally the vehicle mounted one will be able to take more than just two
guns, can you imagine a turret with say 6 or 8 guns opening up in a tank battle!

[Spider-TW]

But I can't imagine paying for the paint!

If you built a nice quad, you might be able to sell it to the Germans at a D-Day/Normandy game.

[LK-13]

here is what Doc Nickel had to say:
Doc Nickel has replied (with title "Okay, real quick like..."):

As far as the electronics go, you can get about halfway there with an off-the-shelf Morlock or MiniMorlock. Just wire each solenoid to the two seperate connections, and dial in however much seperation you want between the first and second 'noid event.

In "normal" mode, you'll have one trigger pull which fires two shots, A then B, with up to... what, half a second seperation? Or is it quarter-second? 255 milliseconds? Hell, it's been a *long* time since I fiddled with a Morlock.

And you can also have "autoresponse" mode, which will fire AB on the pull, then fire AB again on the release.

I had plans years ago to make a dual Intimidator just like I made my dual Autococker. Except with two ram assemblies as well, so each side could fire seperately.

Then, of course, run it autoresponse so one trigger pull would result in four balls.

One of my many projects I haven't had the time to even start...

Doc.