2 guns, 2 noids, how to alternating off one trigger/switch

[LK-13]

Why not just use a flip-flop relay?

The relay has power in, two power outputs and a trigger in and out. Each time it's triggered, it switches the output for the next cycle.
Just be sure to get a relay that's rated for the switching speed you're after.


It's likely that you'll need a little more oomph if you're using 'mag parts (especially classic valves since you can't really ULT them). So go ahead and get 18-volt solenoids. Wire them to the reversing relay.

This way you can have two 9-volts used just for solenoid operation. You then use a third 9-volt only for board, trigger and relay operation. That battery will last darn near forever. You just use the standard board output to the relay and sit it at whatever output you want. Each pull gives you one shot and the barrels alternate. No "horse trot" timing either which is nice.

Good luck.

i didn't know there was such a thing.
please anyone that knows about these devices tell me more!
where can i get one of these?
what do they cost?
is this tough/complicated to work with?
would this let me use a board with only a single noid out put,
because the flip/flop relay would be sending signal to different noids alternating?
could i cannibalize a Tippmann egrip to make this happen with an extra noid and the flip/flop relay?

[st6212]

what kind of solenoids are you planning on using.
Without ULT in each valve a pancake noid isn't going to work.
Plus,the ULTs those dual pancake noids will be end of days for batteries.

Why wouldn't the pancake noid not work without ULT?

If I recall the Hyperframe's worked fine with the classic valve and X-Valve, before the ULT was released?

[p8ntbal4me]

You could always use a relay to change from the fire cycle of one gun to the cycle start of another.

Meaning that insted of the eyes sensing paint,.. it can sense a signal to allow the gun to fire. So if you have the bord set to fire,.. then cycle and do all its things it does,.. toward the end the cycle that the baord goes through can be set to "read" anothe eye input (as someone mentioned the Morlock,.. believe it can do timing as well as an eye-read). After the timer expires or the other set of eyes,.. in this case a gun,.. starts a cycle,.. the first gun can not fire till the second one gives it a signal to start cycling.

I played with relays on my emag,.. and got some nice results! Problem is that I was using reed relays that were not ment for the load involved in the switching of 18volts on the tube solenoid inside the gun. If I can figure out a relay that will be better for the setup,.. I can get an emag to take any aftermarket board. The ones I used in my EPM Kit ran the emag for 700 shots fine,.... till the relay gave out.

[athomas]

Mechanical relays are no good for this type of application. You are better off using a solid state output device. You also can't use a flip-flop type output. When one is off the other is on. One solenoid would always be energized thus using alot of power and could have a detrimental effect on the life of the solenoid.

The dual output morlock board fires one output, then the other based on a programmed delay as previously mentioned. You would have access to many different programmed modes of fire. The only thing that would be difficult to manage would be the eye logic. You would have to rely on only 1 set of eyes, or you could rely on both sets of breach eyes seeing a ball before the gun can cycle, but not each set of breach eyes independent of each other. The only way you would have independent eye logic would be if you used 2 different boards, one for each gun barrel.

[LK-13]

Mechanical relays are no good for this type of application. You are better off using a solid state output device. You also can't use a flip-flop type output. When one is off the other is on. One solenoid would always be energized thus using alot of power and could have a detrimental effect on the life of the solenoid.

The dual output morlock board fires one output, then the other based on a programmed delay as previously mentioned. You would have access to many different programmed modes of fire. The only thing that would be difficult to manage would be the eye logic. You would have to rely on only 1 set of eyes, or you could rely on both sets of breach eyes seeing a ball before the gun can cycle, but not each set of breach eyes independent of each other. The only way you would have independent eye logic would be if you used 2 different boards, one for each gun barrel.

i'm not going to be using any eyes at all.
each gun will be fed by a QLOADER. (it's lighter than 2 hoppers + 2 warps)

[LK-13]

WOO HOO!!! I GOT IT FIGURED OUT!!!!
AND IT WORKS!!!
only shoots in one mode,
alternating full auto,
but it works and i wont have to buy a ton of pricey stuff!!

OK guy I'll get pics up once i have the working marker up and running,
only built a test rig for now but it works!!
but till i have a working marker I'm keeping the secret to myself,
those that still want to figure out how to do this feel free to post more
ideas after all there is more than one way to do anything.

[athomas]

i'm not going to be using any eyes at all.
each gun will be fed by a QLOADER. (it's lighter than 2 hoppers + 2 warps)

Even easier then. Good luck with the project.