venting problem

[blake20]

Ok if you can't tell I'm trying to get all my mags and everyone else's ready for this season. I'm now working on dropzone's x valve. Level 10 emag on/off running on a intelli frame with a rail that I don't know what it is. So here is the problem that I'm having.

Dropzone says that it was venting out the hole on the side of the valve??? I have not had that problem but I'm currently out of air and time. I have had the problem when I had air was i would pull the trigger and get a shot or 2 and bolt would stick like the level 10 needed to be tuned but I could not push the bolt back in. Then pull the trigger a couple of times and then it would work. If you ease the trigger back i get a venting down the barrel but the bolt does not move. So i thought I'd take the valve off and see what's up. When I pulled the valve out the on/off pin shot out and shot me in the belly. (good thing I'm fat, if I was skinny it would have hurt more) I also scared me to the point I had to check my shorts. So before I attempt to take the reg completely apart is there anything I should do or not do or any advice for this problem. If you need any more info post and I'll try and give you as much as I can.
Thanks for any help you can give
Blake

[secretweaponevan]

Start with this:

http://www.automagsuk.com/classicandrt.html

"2. (RT/RTP/Xvalve) A leak out of the side hole of the valve assembly(pictured below) -

This is a safety blow off feature made to keep the Retro quick recharge from becoming the supersonic ball slinger(no it wouldn't be that bad).(Replace your reg. valve pin)"

[phizz]

Talk to BIGEVIL his is the guru when it comes to this. I finally had to send my x-valve to him to fix because of a leak ou the vent hole. I changed many o-rings and could not get it to stop but he worked his magic (with the help of the elves I am sure) and now its on its way home

oh and as you probably figured out.. don't take the valve out while the marker is gassed up!! DANGER BAY!

[blake20]

Phizz I had degassed the marker and pulled the trigger but for some reason the on off pin had pressure behind it. Dropzone had this problem also hence I didn't get shot in the eye because I was looking for it.. Thanks for your help. I may have to send this one to Bigevil.

Secretwepeapenvan Thanks for the link very informative I hope that this will get me where I need to go. Thanks everyone I'll keep posting if I still have problems. Hopefully not!!!

[dropzone]

Okay, talked to Blake20 on the phone tonight and my baby is still down.

Ordered from AGD and replaced the Reg Valve pin and the on/off pin. The on/off pin I had in it had a noticeable grove in it from wearing on the small diameter side of it, just under the shoulder of the larger side where it steps down.

This was a entirely new (e-mag) on off valve, pin and o-rings that I put in it at the last game of my 2007 season, Obviously it looked like the main problem so he replaced that first. Gassed it up and no luck except not venting out the side hole. The marker fired on trigger pull, RT`d a few shots then the bolt stuck in the back position.

When degassed completely with the air source removed the valve was still holding pressure and shot out the on/off pin when the valve was removed.

Went to a heavier spring........same problem

Next he changed out Reg/valve pin, now its back to its old problem. Fires on trigger pull, fires on release of trigger. Valve is still holding pressure and shot out on/off pin again after air source was completely removed then removing the valve.

Next he replaced the entire valve regulator assembly with one from another perfectly working X-valve........Same problem.

Next, lowered the output psi of the maxflo reg to minimal operating pressure for the valve... Same problem.

I am stumped which is why I gave it to Blake20 to have a look at because I started getting frustrated trying to tech it . Now we are both stumped.

To update anyone that is reading this it is as follows.

Automag RT ULE
Intelliframe
Logic Alpha Rail
X-valve
Emag on off ( all new o-rings)
Level ten bolt
Adjustable high pressure, 3rd gen Maxflo Reg.



OLD PIC.


I purchased this Mag 3 years ago from one of our own AOG members, TheFool. It worked flawlessly for 2 years and I never had to so much as adjust the velocity on it. The problem all started when I got a Maxflow reg to up the input psi and increase its ROF. At first it was bolt stick in the rear position with the output pressure cranked up. Turn the pressure down and back to old reliable but very little if any R/T. Over time the problem got worse and other problems started arising like the trigger pull and release firing and valve holding pressure after being degassed. Then macro lines started blowing up because of the maxflo not regulating the output psi and putting an EXTREME amount of pressure through the line. There was no regulating it at all. It was either minimal psi or however much pressure was in the tank which is a 4,500 psi. tank. Yes, the maxflo was returned to Dumb Parts and notified of the problem and it has been repaired and is in good working order. adjusts output psi as it should.

There is no doubt in my mind that this Regulator was the source of the problem but what was and where is the damage? I am heading out from Kansas City in 2 weeks to play the MXS game at the Camp Blanding M.O.U.T facility in Florida. I have an 04 Orracle and a LCD Matrix for backup so I can make due but................ my Mag is my baby, and I am afraid there is not enough turnaround time to send it in to AGD for service.

What are we overlooking ? Please Help!!!!!!!!

[Ruler_Mark]

THis leak can be caused from a dry'ed up piston, unscrew the back cap take the springs out pull that piston out throw some lube on her close her back up volia. It also can be cause from the smaller o oring on the pin that seals up in conjuncture with the back half of the valve.

[dropzone]

As I stated in my post it is no longer venting it is back to the state of its prior issues and yes it has be properly lubed.

[Ruler_Mark]

Bring her to blanding, pm me your cell I will be at blanding ill take a look at her for you.. im gunna be on the horde you?

[dropzone]

Thanks Mark and yes we will playing for the Horde. PM sent.

[blake20]

Dazed and Confused

Just a Question could the powertube be bent??? I have rulled out the rail, regulator back half of valve, I have changed all the orings put in a loose carrier to the point of leaking, Put in big red spring. Tried smaller spring. Put in new Reg valve pin. Nothing seems to work. Everytime I degass the marker and try to remove valve from ule body I have to take body off frame because on/off pin is under pressure and poking out through the body. I can remove the valve while holding on/off in, and can degass by pulling on the bold and then the air in on/off finally vents out. What am I missing. Could the power tube be bent??? I have cleaned the whole valve so there is no dirt or anything in the valve to cause problems. Any Idea's I really need some help!!!!!

[Tunaman]

Are you pulling the trigger all the way back before trying to remove the valve?

[dropzone]

Yes, he is and the valve is still holding pressure even with the air source completely removed.

[blake20]

Dropzone is correct

Yes trigger is pulled all the way. I push the on/off pin all the way when it's still in the body and it pops right back out. If I push it in and turn the whole valve just so the on/off pin is inside the body not poking out the hole in the body and slide the valve out it's still under pressure when it comes out. If you are not careful it shoots the on/off across the shop, but as I posted before, I then pull the bolt off and it takes the pressure off. I know everyone is busy but DZ is trying to make Florida game next weekend, So we hate to send it off. I'm to the point of letting him use my valve for the trip, unless I can get if fixed.

Blake

[athomas]

When you mention "degassed", do you mean the gas line is totally removed from the gun? Or, do you mean the air supply is shut off? If the air supply is not removed and the air released, the valve will still be pressurized, even if you try to fire the gun or hold the trigger in after it stops firing.

Multiple shots when firing, is probably an indicator of a worn sear.

[dropzone]

By saying degassed we mean the air source is COMPLETELY disconnected and removed from the valve. It has a QDC elbow and airline fitting on the valve itself. Airline is removed from the valve. No obstructions either in the elbow or the air inlet passage to the valve itself.