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  • Spider-TW
    U R techno-literate!

    • Oct 2006
    • 3554

    #16
    They require some precision between your fingers that won't develop on any other marker. The first time you walk a pneumag you either haven't walked a marker before or you've been using electros.

    Here's the wrong way:

    In your off hand, hold the end of a pen or pencil. With one trigger finger push the other end of the pencil down about an inch. Now put your other trigger finger down and lift the first one. Repeat. You have now 'walked' the trigger without actually letting it move. Zero latch/recharge time. Getting a 10ms gap between one finger and the next (100 bps equivalent) is easy. You need at least 30ms (33 bps).

    To get it right, put the pencil on top of your trigger fingers and keep it elevated without bouncing.

    With shot buffers, delay, dwell and ramping you'll never see a bad shot.

    There is a level of performance to be tuned into a pneumag that helps reduce chuffing so that between a little training and a tuned trigger, most people won't be able to tell that it is not an electro. All that you know about good trigger action on regular mags still applies to pneumags. The on/off needs to work right, the bolt needs to return quickly and every thing attached to them needs to be free to move but not move any farther than they need to.

    Long levers on MSV-2s make the trigger pull too light and the weight and friction of the sear and trigger make the return sluggish. A ULT will fight you in two ways, low actuation pressure to push the MSV back and low return force on the sear. You can use a ULT in a pneumag, but the setup usually needs to be a little different. Slow return gets more delay on recharge and more chuffs.

    The other thing you need on a pneumag is a force feed loader. Since the time between one ball and the next may be the equivalent of 30 bps, a gravity feed is not going to cut it. Even with a force feed, the level 10 is going to kick in until your fingers learn to stay within the feed rate.

    And that's entertainment.

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    • rawbutter
      Registered User
      • Feb 2007
      • 1463

      #17
      That's some good research you did, ghost flanker. I think spider's previous response, though, explains what's going on.

      Originally posted by Spider-TW
      Some of the breaks you see could be one ball hitting another near the end of the barrel. As you try to go faster, you can still chuff a ball out and the next one can come out at normal velocity and hit the earlier one outside the barrel.
      This isn't a pneumag issue.... this is a level ten issue.

      To prove that it's a level ten issue, just look at the fourth video that you found.

      Originally posted by ghost flanker
      Level 10 and Halo; broke 2 balls
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Scz-wJ2AWk
      The gun being fired in that video isn't a pneumag. It's just demonstrating the RT effect. Also, notice that there is no accuracy change after the ball breaks. That's because the balls aren't breaking inside of the barrel. It's just two balls colliding outside of the barrel.

      I hope this helps.

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      • ghost flanker
        mech warrior

        • Mar 2006
        • 365

        #18
        Originally posted by rawbutter
        That's some good research you did, ghost flanker. I think spider's previous response, though, explains what's going on.



        This isn't a pneumag issue.... this is a level ten issue.

        To prove that it's a level ten issue, just look at the fourth video that you found.



        The gun being fired in that video isn't a pneumag. It's just demonstrating the RT effect. Also, notice that there is no accuracy change after the ball breaks. That's because the balls aren't breaking inside of the barrel. It's just two balls colliding outside of the barrel.

        I hope this helps.
        Oh wow, you're right! Max Vetter IS shooting an RT Mag. And I'm also beginning to agree with you when you say that the balls are only breaking outside the barrel in this video. It's a tough angle to make an accurate observation though. Any break that occurred 2 feet in front of the muzzle would appear to be spraying directly out of the barrel. Also, it's difficult to determine whether his accuracy really is unaffected... there are parts of the clip where he may or may not be slightly swaying the barrel. Still, despite this, I think you've hit the nail on the head on both counts.

        I also think Spider is right on.

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        • Mongoose
          VenomousDesigns.com

          • Nov 2006
          • 1593

          #19
          heres a couple more vids for your enjoyment

          t0nnn and his p-mag


          in this vid...i had a ball collide with another just outside the barrel "tuning the lvl10"

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          • Spider-TW
            U R techno-literate!

            • Oct 2006
            • 3554

            #20
            I'll buy level 10 problems for limp shots too. It's not an all or nothing device either. If the ball sticks and the pressure from the level 10 pushes it in after it has bled pressure down, you will get partial pressure. Especially in 'almost' fat paint.

            I run my primary mag on RT and don't see ball collisions much at all in it, but I can see how it happens.

            We get used to junk paint in our other mags, but when you start trying to rip you still need good paint, a good loader, and a good barrel.
            Last edited by Spider-TW; 02-14-2008, 09:13 PM.

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            • ghost flanker
              mech warrior

              • Mar 2006
              • 365

              #21
              Everyone's been really helpful in this thread.

              So what are my options when shopping for pneumag kits? Where are some good places to look into?

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              • Ninjeff
                it only takes one.
                • Jan 2007
                • 1205

                #22
                The two most popular pneumag guys are Pneumagger (its not just a clever name!) and Cyberrave. cyber also has a magnet mod thats pretty sweet.

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                • Spider-TW
                  U R techno-literate!

                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3554

                  #23
                  Cyberave has kits and service.

                  Pneumagger may be working this summer for service.

                  For DIY, Luke (www.lukescustoms.com) will cut and port any parts you don't want to do yourself and www.airsoldier.com has all the possible parts (and a lot more) if you want to tinker with your own design.

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                  • ghost flanker
                    mech warrior

                    • Mar 2006
                    • 365

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Automagrt666
                    I've never once chopped with my pneumag and I've shot plenty through it. Keep in mind some of those "breaks" might just be barrel busts do to old paint etc. I know when I test fire in my backyard I usually use my oldest paint first, and those tend to blow up in mid flight somtimes, you know how it can be. But if awesome firepower with pure mechanical pwnage is what you're looking for then look no further than a pneumag. You may even want to check out cyber's new magnet mod, it may sell you over :)

                    Nick
                    Where can I check out Cyber's Magnet Mod?

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                    • p8ntbal4me
                      No more UTBs!
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2560

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ghost flanker
                      Where can I check out Cyber's Magnet Mod?
                      PM him here,.. post on BigEvilOnline,.... or you can check out the 2 Pnuemag videos above that Mongoos and Tonn are shooting,.. both equiped with magnestic mods.

                      ~ P8nt
                      _______________________
                      Jai "P8ntbal4me" Menard

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                      • drg
                        Half-cocked
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 1112

                        #26
                        It's curious you never came across my video, it's in the related videos of all of your pneumag links above.
                        View my feedback here

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                        • Mongoose
                          VenomousDesigns.com

                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1593

                          #27
                          Originally posted by p8ntbal4me
                          PM him here,.. post on BigEvilOnline,.... or you can check out the 2 Pnuemag videos above that Mongoos and Tonn are shooting,.. both equiped with magnestic mods.

                          ~ P8nt
                          yes, your best bet is to pm him here and also visit his own little corner at Bigevilonline.com

                          He has the complete kits in stock.
                          i also believe he has the magnet mods in stock

                          you will need a lpr..i suggest to get one on ebay "tickler"...i just bought one new for 20 shipped

                          He will also do the complete conversion for you if needed

                          i highly suggest the magnet mod...just makes for a better trigger feel and response

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                          • robnix
                            email robnix@gmail
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 2094

                            #28
                            Originally posted by mongoose
                            yes, your best bet is to pm him here and also visit his own little corner at Bigevilonline.com

                            He has the complete kits in stock.
                            i also believe he has the magnet mods in stock

                            you will need a lpr..i suggest to get one on ebay "tickler"...i just bought one new for 20 shipped

                            He will also do the complete conversion for you if needed

                            i highly suggest the magnet mod...just makes for a better trigger feel and response
                            I highly recommend Cybers kit. I've used three of them, two on pneumags and one on an ego mag. Saves a ton of time.

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                            • p8ntbal4me
                              No more UTBs!
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 2560

                              #29
                              Originally posted by robnix
                              I highly recommend Cybers kit. I've used three of them, two on pneumags and one on an ego mag. Saves a ton of time.

                              I second that.

                              Cyber's kit is the way to go if you want a quick install.

                              ~ P8nt
                              _______________________
                              Jai "P8ntbal4me" Menard

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                              • cyberave68
                                www.BigEvilOnline.com
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 1084

                                #30
                                WOW thanks eveybody for the comments,

                                as for the ball breaking, Spider-TW has the right idea on post #16. It takes alittle bit of training your fingers to do a complete pull and return of the trigg. It also dosent help that the return isnt that strong. (which i think i figured out a way to fix) But you need time to practice and learn. Being that i dont play as much as i like i still break a ball outside the barrel almost every game when i jump on the trigg really fast.

                                As for parts look here Pneumag parts and lkits You can see what parts i sell and there is also a link to and alomost finished "HOW TO PNEUMAG" thread. Go check em out. Also feel free to ask anything i will try to help in any way i can.....

                                Later,
                                Cyberave68
                                Zero Gravity Customs

                                Play hard or go home......
                                My feedback
                                http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=129891

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