inert gasses

[cphilip]

Originally posted by steveg
this might come as a shock to
many of you but O-rings were not invented for paintball,

NO!!! SAY IT AIN"T SO STEVE!!!! SAY IT AIN"T SO!!!!

just kidding ya guys but I think maybe some of you might jsut have needed to hear that!


Good points steveg

[Exodus]

alright i admit oxy wasnt a great gas to name but i want something like propane but of course a higher pressure than 15 psi. i want something i can put in my tank and have a little fun with the newbies. any suggestions?

[TheSneakyPengui]

LMAO...

Want to have fun with newbies...When you see someone who is playing for thier first time ever and they run out of air and there rental is going da-da-da-da-da-daaaaaaaa, be like "RUN, ITS GONNA BLOW!" now that is some funny stuff to see! lol

[Exodus]

OMG. i just about fell out of my chair laughing. hehe. im gonna do that next time i go. "duck and cover!!!"

[2UnREal]

I think he wants Hydrogen in our tanks. Jk

[Exodus]

i actualy thaught of that, but it isnt dence enough.

hoked on fonics werked fer me!!!

[TheSneakyPengui]

Yea ..

Yea well I think what is being used right now, Nitrogen is perfect, very stable and safe and there is plenty of it! about 80% of our air is nitrogen. I would be interesting to ouse helium in your tanks, your balls would come out of your barrel and float away, then they would fall onto your target! lol jk, if u used helium your gun would float away, jk, but if your gona do anything get some hydro if you know what i mean!

[Exodus]

(evil grin) i would never do such a thing!!! hmm...now wheres that welding shop again? gotta find the camera to.

[jwyke]

I like the Helium idea. Even if you don't hit them, at least you will leave them talking funny.

[Bwaites]

Boy, oh Boy!

First, Oxygen is NOT combustible, it WILL NOT burn. No way, No How. However, in the presence of a fuel, it will support combustion, the more volatile the fuel (meaning its ability to combust)(gas is more combustible than wood, wood more than metal, etc.) the more robust will be the flame, but only if there is a source of combustion (ie. a flame or spark). I cannot imagine in any way oxygen contributing to a paintball marker fire. The old saw about not smoking while using oxygen in a medical nasal cannula being proof of the fact that oxygen does not cause some runaway fire, as many people with emphysema continue to smoke away while on oxygen. Oxygen would work fine as a tank gas, but it is much more expensive than Nitrogen, so the cost/benefit ratio doesn't work.

A helium tank would not float away, the tank weighs too much. Helium only causes thing to be lighter than air when it is allowed to expand and displace air. Otherwise all thos helium tanks they fill balloons with would have floated away!

Propane would work except that it IS flammable. A propane tank with an attached oxygen tank would make a great addition to paintball, a flamethrower!

When I was a kid the specialty groups on the military bases would do school demos where they brought a cigarette or loaf of bread they said they had frozen in liquid oxygen (LOX) and would touch a match to it. It would burn almost instantly, no explosion, just a high speed burn, without even much flame. It seems like a cigarette would burn in a couple seconds, the loaf of bread in 8-10. Tobacco and bread are not exactly high quality fuels, but they burned very completely with that much available oxygen, leaving little residue.

Under those circumstances you are talking about huge amounts of oxygen compared to available fuel, the oxygen required to burn most metals (not the highly combustible ones like high school science experiments) would be huge.

The space program analogy doesn't work. There was a huge source of volatile fuel available as well as an ignition spark, we were not talking about the same kind of fuels. The stick experiment doesn't really apply either, you can get the same effect by blowing on it.

Simply put, oxygen doesn't burn, doesn't explode when exposed to flame, but does help support combustion when the other necessities are present.

Bill

[Thordic]

Originally posted by PyRo
Listen to Army, pure oxygen will burn.
Petroleum based oil + o-rings=bad
your not supposed to use any petroleum based oils in paintball guns. The ones Thordic mentiond are not petroleum based

One again you prove you don't know what you are talking about KC Purple is Mineral Oil based. Mineral Oil is a petroleum product. This is a direct quote from thier site:

K-C TROUBLE FREE N2 Paintball Gun Oil (Purple Mineral Oil Formula) was designed for high-pressure air powered Paintball guns. In the interest of safety, we use white mineral oil as the base of our formula. This is commercially used as the assembly lube for SCUBA regulators. This formula gives you the highest anti-friction and anti-wear properties of any lubricant available.

This is for players who regularly clean and re-lubricate their equipment, because it will become sludge, although more slowly than other mineral oils on the market. Since N2 powered guns are not chilled by the propellant, we are not concerned about the freezing point of the lubricant.

http://www.kercon.com/products.htm

If you don't believe me, go there

Oh, and before some idiot starts saying mineral oil is made from minerals, not petroleum:

Main Entry: mineral oil
Function: noun
Date: 1805
: an oil of mineral origin; especially : a refined petroleum oil used especially as a laxative

Thats from the Mirriam-Webster dictionary.

[cphilip]

Yes Thordic, that gets into the oversimplification of the term "Mineral Oil". Its seems to be applied to a white Paraffin based oil no matter what it is derived from anymore. I noticed it used in conjunction with all the plant and seed based oils and even Bee's wax ones too. It is and can be from the waxes left over from the tiny plankton decompositions in Raw Petroleum and was and still is probably the most common scource of it.

However we all seem to be associating the word "Petroleum" with that more volitile and some toxic components of it like Gasoline and motor oils. Not completely a good way to think about it as you point out. There are some non toxic components that are left over from the animals that created Petroleum. It does contain all these other components like the waxes and such that can be used.

However I supose what we should be saying is it can be "derived" from Petroleum and not that "it is" Petroleum to be certain. And it can be derived from non-petroleum things as well. Good distiction to make. It is the Paraffin based oil derived from many scources and as to date primarily Petroleum is the better way to put it.

My distinction of what "it is now" not "where it might have come from in the first place" ...was way over simplified earlier. So I will get into this detail. But once it is derived and extracted it is now "based" on what is left. Parrafin from long dead Plankton is what it is now. Thats my meaning of it. Not where it came from in the first place.

I'll overlook the "Idiot" reference...

bwaits, you example is of an oxygen mixture used on patients that is no way near 100% Oxygen. It is only a few percentage over normal air. A big differnce. 100% Oxygen will indeed readily stimulate the burning of almost anything.

[Bwaites]

Once again, Oxygen will not burn! Sorry to hammer this point home, but pure oxygen, by itself, cannot, will not ignite.

Fire requires 3 essential items. Fuel, an ignition source, and oxygen. It doesn't matter how much oxygen is present if both, or either, of the others isn't present. Medical O2 is pure oxygen, according to our hospitals provider. It has no other gases mixed in, they rely on ambient air to provide the CO2, N2, etc. to patients on the oxygen.

Bill

[cphilip]

Bill! No one is saying that! Please read the whole thread. We settled that distinction long before now. Note I said this above "readily stimulate" burning. And before many pointed out the distinction that it is an Oxydizer in the truest sense of the word. It will promote, stimulate, facilitate (what ever verb you want to use) and make things otherwise almost non combustable..combustable... in high enough percentages. Thats the point Bill. OK?

[TylerDurden]

What about hydrogen? J/K. Can anyone say "Hindenburg"?