Another Emag woes thread

[KevinA]

I just got my lowers in the mail today, and well, am having some issues, marker fires fine in mech mode, but when I put it in Emode, it will fire, I know it sounds crazy, but it fires from hitting the sear rod, and not from the solenoid. I'm not sure if the charger works (still trying to find a car that has a cigarette charger dealy that works), so I can't put the battery to charge to make sure it's full. The really weird thing is this, when there is no air on the marker, in Emode, I can't get the solenoid to click, if I take the rail off, and take the sear mount pin out, and lift up on the sear, the solenoid will click, and bring the sear back down, but I have to lift it up again. Any ideas? As soon as I get to work, I am going to check that the sear rod gap is proper, and that the ON/Off pin is also the correct length. I know these were working when they were sent to me, as I have done business with the gent before, and trust him. I guess I should have mentioned that I have a mini Morlock board installed, and it has the 5.0 software. thanks for any help in advance.

Kevin

[KevinA]

Ok, I measured the solenoid plunger rod is right at 3.005", and the trigger rod was just a hair off of 2.125" I think it was like .005 off. I know that the car charger cord is good (the fuse was blown before, swapped that, now it's good to go). When I attached that to the actual charger part (the one that sits on top of the battery) the light was a super dim green, then turned bright green, then back to dim, then got really hot to the touch (it was plugged in about 30-45 seconds). Then there was an acrid smell... I'm pretty sure that wasn't a good thing. So I'm pretty sure that part is fried right?

[Old School 626]

Take a multimeter and see if the battery is putting out more then 16 volts. If it's over 16 you're fine, if not time for a new one.

For the charger, plug it in with no battery on it and use the same multimeter to check it's output. IIRC the output of a correctly working changer should be 24 volts. If I am wrong I am sure that some one here will be quick to point it out and post the correct charger output voltage.


Good luck,

[KevinA]

Take a multimeter and see if the battery is putting out more then 16 volts. If it's over 16 you're fine, if not time for a new one.

For the charger, plug it in with no battery on it and use the same multimeter to check it's output. IIRC the output of a correctly working changer should be 24 volts. If I am wrong I am sure that some one here will be quick to point it out and post the correct charger output voltage.


Good luck,

Thanks, I tried the battery , and it was putting out 16.11 VDC. I'll have to check the actual charger out. I tried taking the rail off, and 'simulating' air pressure on the sear, and it worked like a champ, maybe the on/off pin is not long enough? Going to measure that next. Even without air pressure, the noid should still click right?

**Edit** Ok, I checked the VDC on the charger while plugged in, and it's reading at ~13.44 VDC. Is this a for sure that it's shot?

[KevinA]

Another question, how do I tell which on off length I need?

[Ruler_Mark]

Another question, how do I tell which on off length I need?

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[KevinA]

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OK, I had an on/off pin that was .002 off. I had another RT on/off pin, and had it milled down, so I'm going to try that out, and see how that works out for me. Wish me luck

**Edit** Ok, still fires fine in Mech mode, but still won'r fire in Emode. Damn I need a charger. Could it possibly be the magnets in the wrong spot?

[Ruler_Mark]

OK, I had an on/off pin that was .002 off. I had another RT on/off pin, and had it milled down, so I'm going to try that out, and see how that works out for me. Wish me luck

**Edit** Ok, still fires fine in Mech mode, but still won'r fire in Emode. Damn I need a charger. Could it possibly be the magnets in the wrong spot?

What software are you running?

[KevinA]

It's a Predator Mini Morlcok, with 5.0 software. Probably can't help me now huh?

[BigEvil]

OK, I had an on/off pin that was .002 off. I had another RT on/off pin, and had it milled down, so I'm going to try that out, and see how that works out for me. Wish me luck

**Edit** Ok, still fires fine in Mech mode, but still won'r fire in Emode. Damn I need a charger.

.002 aint gonna kill you. From what you are giving us, I would suspect a bad battery. However, you can increase the noid plunger length to give it a little more pep. 3.020 MAX.

Battery voltage is not the tell-all for the battery. Get a good charge first, then try again once everything else is ok. There really is no way to check for amps or to load test the battery. If with a full charge, everything else to spec it still does not fire it is either you battery or noid. before you replace anything get your hands on a good battery to test it with first.

[KevinA]

I won't mess with the plunger just yet, hopefully RFLMN1 will get back to me, he's the only other person I know on Okinawa with an Emag. I'm sure he's gota good battery, and charger.

[flyingpootang]

It's a Predator Mini Morlcok, with 5.0 software. Probably can't help me now huh?

Kevin, Does the noid click and are both safeties off?

[Ruler_Mark]

what is your dwell set to?

[KevinA]

Kevin, Does the noid click and are both safeties off?

The noid only clicks if I put pressure on the back of the sear, basicly the only thing it's doing is pulling itself down. By both safeties you mean the yellow pin, and the actual button saftey right?

RulerMark- I have no idea what the dwell is set at at the moment, soon as I get home, I can check on that. I really appreciate everyone's help. Go AO!

[211]

thats the way an Emag noid works, it just pulls down, so if the plunger is down it doesnt do anything
the sear gets reset by the on off (just like any other mag) so if its not aired up its not going to do anything after the first trigger pull

try adjusting the magnet in the trigger a little closer to the HES, that may get it to register a trigger pull before encountering the trigger rod