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[kent e]

Do you own scubas, or use a compressor. Is there a good brand of compressor?

[DeuceSV]

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[Spider-TW]

Do you own scubas, or use a compressor. Is there a good brand of compressor?

I came out of retirement after almost 11 years, I know what you mean. I still have trouble with HPA back bottles and my favorite rig is HPA on remote. I run a back bottle on occasion though.

Most fields supply HPA in 3k and many in 4.5k. The best common deal is "all day air" for CO2 or HPA, and the field has its own compressor. Check your local fields (www.pbreview.com) to see if they have some sort of HPA.

The HPA becomes necessary when you are trying to hold up your corner of the field and everyone else is shooting 10 bps plus for an extended period. X-valves do not take liquid CO2 as well (at all) as the classic valve does. The stainless valve dropped off the AGD website a couple of months ago.

The two (safe) options are to get HPA or get a classic valve. A nice, used classic valve can be found on the Buy/Sell/Trade forum for $50 to $60. You can put the level 10 kit from your x valve in the classic and save the x valve for the future. Swap the on/off out the x valve while you're at it. You can also work out a trade, but I don't think it would be easy to get the value out of the x valve that way.

You can mostly avoid a level 10 setup with a force feed loader like a halo, reloader, egg, etc., unless you let your hopper run empty frequently (or once). You will want some sort of CO2 expansion chamber or remote.

The important thing is to play a little and decide where, with whom, and how you will play. Scenario players use the range from 12 gram stock class pumps to egos, but if all you want is speedball, you'll be needing that x.

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convenience --- the nice part about HPA, besides being able to throw your entire load of paint in a few minutes, is plugging the tank into a fill station and getting a fill in about 10 seconds and you know how much gas you now have in your bottle.

[SithSteve]

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convenience --- the nice part about HPA, besides being able to throw your entire load of paint in a few minutes, is plugging the tank into a fill station and getting a fill in about 10 seconds and you know how much gas you now have in your bottle.

Now there are some issues associated with flash fills... the main one being that its really quite dangerous. Not to mention that its very hard on the tanks. Besides that, because the air rushes into the tank soooo fast, it'll heat up the air and the bottle which will give you a false reading on your gauge. I've had pressure drop as much as 500-800 psi once the air and tank finally cooled down.

[ZapTheMad]

HPA tank $100-200
80 CF Scuba tank $90-120
Scuba fill $5-6

HP Compressor $5000

Your X-Valve will not like CO2. While it is "possible" to shoot it on CO2, it is not practical for general play. X-Valves really like to have at least 850+ PSI input pressure (950 being the general sweet spot). CO2 drops below that too easily and you will have reliability problems. Also, getting liquid CO2 in the valve pretty much guarantees some o-ring replacements. Don't bother trying unless you like rebuilding your valve.

All you need to run CO2 is a Classic Valve. They operate well on the lower input pressures and sell used for around $50. But they do not perform like an X-Valve (which may not matter with your style of play). An anti-siphon tank is highly recommended. Even a Classic is not immune to liquid. Get a Classic Valve and use it if you need to use CO2. Use your X-Valve when you have HPA available.

[kent e]

Will the classic valve fit on this gun?

[SithSteve]

Yep.

[kent e]

That solves my issue then, and I'll sell the valve.

[SithSteve]

One good thing is that you should have enough funds left over to find some nice accessories for your rig.

[kent e]

I saw one on ebay for $180 and the bidding wasn't over, so that's fairly pricey!

[SithSteve]

That was for an "X" valve, right? I've seen them usually go for $160-$180 w/o the lvl-X bolt... $200+ with.

Classic valves shouldn't run you over $100... look around here B/S/T section (miscellaneous gear section).

[kent e]

Another question. Is the classic valve the A.I.R. valve that comes with the old regular mags.

[WUNDERWAFFEN]

Yes the classic valve is the old A.I.R. valve that you know and love.

[frans42000]

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