Will this double trigger frame fit my Gen 2 Micromag?

[Ms54Coupe]

I am buying an E Mag valve and I wanted to put a double trigger on my micro mag. It is a Gen 2 micro and currently all stock. My question is will this double trigger frame fit my marker?

Thanks,

Nate


http://cgi.ebay.com/AGD-Automag-Inte...item4ceba72f7d

[vf-xx]

not a bad price.

It'll fit, HOWEVER.....

You'll need to find some way to positively retain your sear pin. IIRC Early Micro mags used a standard AM/MM sear ping and a winged grip frame to hold the pin in place.

[Frizzle Fry]

It also won't line up with the milling; the frame will have a little "lip" that extends beyond the bottom of the body.

[xero28]

not a bad price.

It'll fit, HOWEVER.....

You'll need to find some way to positively retain your sear pin. IIRC Early Micro mags used a standard AM/MM sear ping and a winged grip frame to hold the pin in place.

Piece of tape and a sharpie.

[vf-xx]

Piece of tape and a sharpie.

Never said it COULDN'T be done. Just that it needed to be done.

[Ms54Coupe]

So I have heard a lot of you guys talking about the sear pin and such and I am curious when you say tape and a sharpie what would that do for me?

Is the Sear pin the one sticking out of the body of the gun in the pic below? What do I need to do to make the above linked double trigger work in the micro?

[Coralis]

No what they are referring to is the pin that holds the sear in the body on the older versions of the micromags it was a pin that was pushed into place and held by the wings on the older frames. You have gen 2 micromag and has the threaded pin so you shouldn't (though some light duty lock tight on the threads isn't a bad idea) worry about the pin falling out and you wont need the sharpie the teflon tape.

[Ms54Coupe]

O alright!

So if I were to purchase a new RT, X, or E Mag valve this would not be an issue either?

[Frizzle Fry]

You have gen 2 micromag and has the threaded pin so you shouldn't (though some light duty lock tight on the threads isn't a bad idea) worry about the pin falling out and you wont need the sharpie the teflon tape.

The Gen2 did not have threaded pins. Some Gen3s did, though.

If you look at the top of the pictured frame, you'll see that it is not flat but rather has a little wedge on each side that comes to a point at the top and runs the lenth of the frame. This is intended to hold the pin in the middle of the sear in place so it doesn't drop out the side. While the pin is often held in by friction, it really needs something more than that, hence the rails.

The double trigger (intelliframe) that you have pictured has a flat top, and does not have the little wedges (or wings) on the sides to hold the pin in place, so you'd need glue to hold the sear pin in place. Also, it is just as wide as the frame you have pictured, so without the wings it will extend beyond the body and not line up well. It doesn't effect performance, it just looks weird upon closer inspection.

A good option would be a Benchmark double trigger frame. PTP/Armson/Benchmark made the Micromag and they still have suitable frames.

[xero28]

O alright!

So if I were to purchase a new RT, X, or E Mag valve this would not be an issue either?

AM/MM Sear:



Sear Pin:



RT Sear:



RT Sear Pin:



Actually, I believe the Gen 2 Micro's use a standard AM/MM sear/pin, not the threaded pin like with the RT (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is easy enough for you to figure out. With your gun taken apart as it is pictured, push on the sear pin with a pen or a nail or something. If the sear pin pushes out, then it's a standard AM/MM sear/pin. If you need to "unscrew" the sear pin, then you've got an RT sear/pin. From the looks of the photo though, it appears to be an AM/MM sear/pin. Not the end of the world.

Basically the automag trigger frames either have "wings" or no "wings". It looks like you have a benchmark frame, which probably has wings. If you look at the frame from the back, the top part which butts up against the rail will not be completely flat, but the sides will curve up, these are wings and what helps fit the frame against the body. In the MicroMag, these wings also stick up along the side of the body JUST enough to keep the sear pin from falling out. On a regular mag this isn't an issue because the sear pin is safe inside the rail. So, with the intelliframe, there will not be wings, the top of the frame will be flat, and there will be nothing to hold the sear pin in place. Like I said, when i had my micro, I just put a small piece of masking tape of the pin and used a sharpie to color it black. Yeah, kind of ghetto, but it worked. Otherwise, you may be running through the woods or something and the pin could fall out in the middle of a game.

So, to answer your question, getting a new valve has nothing to do with the sear/pin. And no, you will not be able to get an RT sear/pin unless you have the sear pin hole tapped, even then I'm not sure it would work correctly.

EDIT: That's what I get for surfing the net while trying to answer a question, someone else answers it before me. Frizzle pretty much answered it for you.

[Ms54Coupe]

Ok,

I am going to look for a winged double trigger frame!

[Ando]

[athomas]

Ok,

I am going to look for a winged double trigger frame!

Good luck with that. I've never seen one. There were winged single trigger frames around, but not double trigger frames. You may find one but it will be quite a hunt. You are probably better off rigging a standard double frame to work.

[correia3]

I think PTP/Benchmark had some winged double trigger frames...Pretty sure I owned one...

[Ando]

I have one too.