Ninja or Crossfire Tank Reg???

[Thotograph]

I would say 1k as the median with a +/- 200 or 250 psi range is about what makes sense for mag users. At/over 1200psi input makes an RT turn into a chainsaw, and as the wise TK stated in the RT users guide video (I can hear that awesome intro music now, sigh) a slightly lower input yields a little more consistent velocity vs. higher input for more RT effect.

In other words the "sweet spot" ranges for different applications and desired characteristics in tuning a mag. Sometimes more isn't always more... and us RT types may occasionally NEED to turn down the pressure to make a gun field (or tourney) legal. Wimps...

What would be really cool is to have an adjustable tank that can be adjusted without disassembly, but have it look like a preset from the outside. Keeping the appearance clean, bulk to a minimum and it'd make the reg viable for applications with other markers.

I'm no engineer, but hey maybe it'd be possible to make the reg have an external on/off with a downstream bleed (CF 420SV comes to mind), but with the adjustment screw being internal and accessed through the top of the reg (so you have to remove the reg from your asa while degassed to increase/decrease the pressure). This would keep everyone honest (not that we are a dishonest lot, hehehehe), keep the construction as small/clean as possible and give us adjust-ability with the option to simply set and forget also being on the table. Having it go down to 750-800 psi also lets us use the "wonder reg" on different guns since many of us AGD fanatics also have a soft spot for AKA or what not...

Sorry for the essay, just figured I'd expand on this great idea you've proposed. I likez it!

[Rob@NinjaPB]

I would say 1k as the median with a +/- 200 or 250 psi range is about what makes sense for mag users. At/over 1200psi input makes an RT turn into a chainsaw, and as the wise TK stated in the RT users guide video (I can hear that awesome intro music now, sigh) a slightly lower input yields a little more consistent velocity vs. higher input for more RT effect.

In other words the "sweet spot" ranges for different applications and desired characteristics in tuning a mag. Sometimes more isn't always more... and us RT types may occasionally NEED to turn down the pressure to make a gun field (or tourney) legal. Wimps...

What would be really cool is to have an adjustable tank that can be adjusted without disassembly, but have it look like a preset from the outside. Keeping the appearance clean, bulk to a minimum and it'd make the reg viable for applications with other markers.

I'm no engineer, but hey maybe it'd be possible to make the reg have an external on/off with a downstream bleed (CF 420SV comes to mind), but with the adjustment screw being internal and accessed through the top of the reg (so you have to remove the reg from your asa while degassed to increase/decrease the pressure). This would keep everyone honest (not that we are a dishonest lot, hehehehe), keep the construction as small/clean as possible and give us adjust-ability with the option to simply set and forget also being on the table. Having it go down to 750-800 psi also lets us use the "wonder reg" on different guns since many of us AGD fanatics also have a soft spot for AKA or what not...

Sorry for the essay, just figured I'd expand on this great idea you've proposed. I likez it!

Thotograph, AWESOME Info! Funny that you mentioned Centerflag's 420SV. I was the Sales Manager at Centerflag and the 420SV was an awesome regulator. I just wish the company would have been able to tough it out a bit longer to make enough profit off that reg to stay in business. We had developed something similar but found that with additional moving parts on the regulator, its one more thing that could go wrong. With most people using an on/off, we didnt feel it was something that would be beneficial for our system.

We were thinking that possibly having an adjustable reg around 900-1200 psi would be optimal for all mags out there. We're still gauging interest at this point but with the regs we make for mags now + the interest we're receiving on this type of reg, it could be something we can introduce. Its just tough trying to justify coming out with a regulator for a marker that hasn't been manufactured in a long time. We just need to come up with numbers to justify it.

Thanks again for the info!!! We're still listening guys so keep those recommendations/feedback coming!

[redlaser666]

Thotograph, AWESOME Info! Funny that you mentioned Centerflag's 420SV. I was the Sales Manager at Centerflag and the 420SV was an awesome regulator. I just wish the company would have been able to tough it out a bit longer to make enough profit off that reg to stay in business. We had developed something similar but found that with additional moving parts on the regulator, its one more thing that could go wrong. With most people using an on/off, we didnt feel it was something that would be beneficial for our system.

We were thinking that possibly having an adjustable reg around 900-1200 psi would be optimal for all mags out there. We're still gauging interest at this point but with the regs we make for mags now + the interest we're receiving on this type of reg, it could be something we can introduce. Its just tough trying to justify coming out with a regulator for a marker that hasn't been manufactured in a long time. We just need to come up with numbers to justify it.

Thanks again for the info!!! We're still listening guys so keep those recommendations/feedback coming!

Hi, I think you could design a regulator like the old NitroDuck x-stream reg. It was a screw-in tank that had an adjustable collar to set the presure without dissasembly. I had one and loved it. I used mine in a mag set to about 950psi, but it was good between 700 and 1000 psi.

if you were to make one it should be adjustable beteen 800- 1200 psi for best results.

[Rob@NinjaPB]

Hi, I think you could design a regulator like the old NitroDuck x-stream reg. It was a screw-in tank that had an adjustable collar to set the presure without dissasembly. I had one and loved it. I used mine in a mag set to about 950psi, but it was good between 700 and 1000 psi.

if you were to make one it should be adjustable beteen 800- 1200 psi for best results.

Thanks for the recommendation. The idea has been noted and its something we're looking into.

[Tek2974]

I have a ton of different tanks, and here's my report:

Ninja reg set to 975psi, good output ok rt, it's long though
Crossfire (new style) @ 825 psi, my mag RT's like a mofo
System-X tank on a 4500psi armageddon that I rebuilt set to 1100psi, omfg win.


I tried them all and for an rt mag get the geddon, as much as i love crossfire for all my other guns the geddon CANNOT be beat on a mag.

[Rob@NinjaPB]

I have a ton of different tanks, and here's my report:

Ninja reg set to 975psi, good output ok rt, it's long though
Crossfire (new style) @ 825 psi, my mag RT's like a mofo
System-X tank on a 4500psi armageddon that I rebuilt set to 1100psi, omfg win.


I tried them all and for an rt mag get the geddon, as much as i love crossfire for all my other guns the geddon CANNOT be beat on a mag.

I dont believe we're actually comparing apples to apples here. You say that your armageddon "omfg win"s over the crossy and ninja regs. However, you are running the geddon at 1100psi when your other air systsems are running at 975 and 825. You're running that armageddon at 125 psi higher than the next closest output pressure.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised at the performance you would get in the Ninja reg if you were to increase the output pressures on those to what your running your geddon at. Cant say what performance you would get on the crossy since we dont make those systems but we have made plenty of "mag" specific regs with outputs at 1100-1200psi and haven't heard any complaints.

[Spider-TW]

I have to say, I don't find the shim adjustments too cumbersome. I have needed to turn my adj. reg down before, but I was sent off the field anyway.

I don't mind living with a slightly low reg until I get back off the field. I have set up an old remote ASA to vent my tank down on occasion.

For the price, reliability, and size factors, external adjustment is a borderline feature for me.

[Rob@NinjaPB]

I have to say, I don't find the shim adjustments too cumbersome. I have needed to turn my adj. reg down before, but I was sent off the field anyway.

I don't mind living with a slightly low reg until I get back off the field. I have set up an old remote ASA to vent my tank down on occasion.

For the price, reliability, and size factors, external adjustment is a borderline feature for me.

Sounds good. Thanks again Spider!

[marshallf221]

I'm in for one.

I would be on board for the adjustable reg.

I just got a ninja reg for my tank now and want to set it for high pressure, does anyone know how many shims to add to get it set for my rt pro?

thanks for the help..........

[Rob@NinjaPB]

I would be on board for the adjustable reg.

I just got a ninja reg for my tank now and want to set it for high pressure, does anyone know how many shims to add to get it set for my rt pro?

thanks for the help..........

It depends on how many shims you have in your regulator now. If you have never adjusted the pressre before, you should be sitting around 800psi (factory setting on our regs). If you add one red shim, you can get it up to about 950psi. Anything higher than that, we would need to build you a regulator in the factory to make sure the pressure output is correct. Once you start getting above 950-1000psi in our regulators, you want to make sure you have a pressure tester to fine tune it.

[Spider-TW]

Once you start getting above 950-1000psi in our regulators, you want to make sure you have a pressure tester to fine tune it.

Rob, do you have an idea about the linearity of micro gauges? I use room temperature CO2 and CO2 pressure tables to check my "pressure tester". It has been low by about 25 psi. I haven't been able to check it enough across a range of temperatures to figure out if it is better or worse at other pressures.

[marshallf221]

Thanks

It depends on how many shims you have in your regulator now. If you have never adjusted the pressre before, you should be sitting around 800psi (factory setting on our regs). If you add one red shim, you can get it up to about 950psi. Anything higher than that, we would need to build you a regulator in the factory to make sure the pressure output is correct. Once you start getting above 950-1000psi in our regulators, you want to make sure you have a pressure tester to fine tune it.

Thanks for the info. Please keep me posted on the possiblity of the adjustable reg.

[Rob@NinjaPB]

Rob, do you have an idea about the linearity of micro gauges? I use room temperature CO2 and CO2 pressure tables to check my "pressure tester". It has been low by about 25 psi. I haven't been able to check it enough across a range of temperatures to figure out if it is better or worse at other pressures.

Here's the exact quote from our Sales Manager and resident air expert.

"The small 25 mm gauges that players use in paintball can be off by up to 10% and be considered in tolerance. They are horrible for accurate testing of any kind and this is probably his problem. "

Hope this helps.

[Rob@NinjaPB]

Thanks for the info. Please keep me posted on the possiblity of the adjustable reg.

You got it! Our Master Tech, Jeff Schrieber, was the old Master Tech over at AGD so he's pretty excited about the possibility of making a mag-specific regulator. He worked for Tom Kaye for about 8 or 10 years I think. The man KNOWS mags lol.

[Loneassassin]

Just to post a followup - I recently purchased a 45/4500 Stealth tank from Crossfire for my pump. (sorry Ninja, the Crossfire was $20 cheaper...) Anyway, I put about 1100 psi in it from my Scuba and tried it on my Mag. It worked beautifully!!! I could walk the trigger faster than hell with no chuffing. This simply does not happen with my Myth reg, even though they supposedly output at around the same pressure. So now my debate is whether to swap the reg over to my 68ci tank, or just buy a whole new reg so I'm running Crossfire on everything. Though I don't really need a high recharge on my pump, lol.

Anyway, for anyone looking for max performance out of their pneumag, the Crossfire reg definitely made a difference. And I have no doubt a Ninja reg would yield similar results. No more Myth regs for me...