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  • knownothingmags
    RKM 3D Designs

    • Apr 2010
    • 4810

    #1

    emag not shooting consistantly

    setup,
    by tunaman,
    -no shims in the lvl ten,
    -bolt is spaced perfect it is not too loose and not too tight,
    -new gold spring,
    -detents are not in too far,(atually took them out to eliminate that being the issue,
    -has emag on/off installed

    onto the problem,
    -the gun fires well, rt's nice, since my tank is at 950 psi output,
    -it will rt a bit then chuff, and load a ball in the barrel then start shooting nice again,
    - or it will just chuff three or so times and each chuff loads a ball into the barrel and then after starts shooting well again,

    **all of this mechanical no battery.

    let me know where to look for this answer or if you have the aswer thats great,

    any and all help is apreciated.

    thankyou,
    KNM.
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  • knownothingmags
    RKM 3D Designs

    • Apr 2010
    • 4810

    #2
    side note,
    Tunaman did not have the whole gun just the valves, so the issue isnt that he set it up wrong it all me.
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    • need4reebs
      OutKasT 4 Sho!!!

      • Feb 2011
      • 1441

      #3
      wat body are you using? does the bolt get hung up at all in the breach area? sometimes a tiny little burr can cause the bolt to not pass the breach area and cause the chuff stuff or bolt stick? see if you can drop the bolt down into the breech and see if it gets caught up on anything?
      http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...8715822556.gif

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      • knownothingmags
        RKM 3D Designs

        • Apr 2010
        • 4810

        #4
        Originally posted by need4reebs View Post
        wat body are you using? does the bolt get hung up at all in the breach area? sometimes a tiny little burr can cause the bolt to not pass the breach area and cause the chuff stuff or bolt stick? see if you can drop the bolt down into the breech and see if it gets caught up on anything?
        shock wave.
        ill test that idea.
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        • need4reebs
          OutKasT 4 Sho!!!

          • Feb 2011
          • 1441

          #5
          Originally posted by knownothingmags View Post
          shock wave.
          ill test that idea.
          have by chance tried to use this valve in another setup?

          or tried a different valve with your Shock wave?

          or maybe tried adjust the field strip screw?
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          • athomas
            Of course it works-its AGD
            • Jan 2002
            • 8039

            #6
            Check that your field strip screw isn't too long and bottoming out in the valve.

            I have a pretty good idea that the proper pin setup is in place, but I have to ask the question anyway. Which emag pin setup are you using? Are you using the 0.712" pin and quad oring, or the 0.725" pin and regular urethane oring. The 0.712" pin and quad oring is the proper one to use.

            Is the hopper pushing the paintballs too far into the breach area? This could be caused by using really small diameter paintballs.

            What is the quality of your sear? If the RT action is too quick due to a worn sear, then the valve won't have time to properly charge the front chamber before it is trying to shoot again, which causes a short stroke result. The little puff of air caused by the short stroke is quite often enough air to push the ball forward but not fire it out of the barrel.
            Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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            • knownothingmags
              RKM 3D Designs

              • Apr 2010
              • 4810

              #7
              Originally posted by athomas View Post
              Check that your field strip screw isn't too long and bottoming out in the valve.

              I have a pretty good idea that the proper pin setup is in place, but I have to ask the question anyway. Which emag pin setup are you using? Are you using the 0.712" pin and quad oring, or the 0.725" pin and regular urethane oring. The 0.712" pin and quad oring is the proper one to use.

              Is the hopper pushing the paintballs too far into the breach area? This could be caused by using really small diameter paintballs.

              What is the quality of your sear? If the RT action is too quick due to a worn sear, then the valve won't have time to properly charge the front chamber before it is trying to shoot again, which causes a short stroke result. The little puff of air caused by the short stroke is quite often enough air to push the ball forward but not fire it out of the barrel.
              quad oring setup,

              how do i check for a worn sear?
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              • knownothingmags
                RKM 3D Designs

                • Apr 2010
                • 4810

                #8
                so i measured the pin it is the right one.
                i didnt do this in the video but i fired it before with the thumb screw threaded in but making sure it wasnt bottomed out. (if that makes sense)

                no battery either just mech.

                here is a video if this helps.
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                • maniacmechanic
                  PrestonCoPaintball
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 3453

                  #9
                  What are you feedin this with ? ( hopper) If it chuffs it means your LX is workin right , is it feedin enough paint fast enough ??

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                  • knownothingmags
                    RKM 3D Designs

                    • Apr 2010
                    • 4810

                    #10
                    Originally posted by maniacmechanic View Post
                    What are you feedin this with ? ( hopper) If it chuffs it means your LX is workin right , is it feedin enough paint fast enough ??
                    rotor
                    but that was with no paint in it,
                    did you watch the video?
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                    • athomas
                      Of course it works-its AGD
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 8039

                      #11
                      That is bolt stick. Your carrier is too tight.

                      Check the sear tip where it catches the bolt. If it is sharp, it is ok. If it is rounded or has an indentation, then it is worn.
                      Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                      • knownothingmags
                        RKM 3D Designs

                        • Apr 2010
                        • 4810

                        #12
                        Originally posted by athomas View Post
                        That is bolt stick. Your carrier is too tight.

                        Check the sear tip where it catches the bolt. If it is sharp, it is ok. If it is rounded or has an indentation, then it is worn.
                        carrier is good i think. from what i can tell its not too tight.

                        the sear being worn what issues does that cause?
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                        • knownothingmags
                          RKM 3D Designs

                          • Apr 2010
                          • 4810

                          #13
                          so threw a different lvl ten bolt in, it feels just a hair maybe a half a hair tighter now it seems to be fine,
                          but i cant run paint through it right now to make 100% sure.

                          any ideas why it wants to work now?
                          im running on about 900 psi is what my tank guage says.

                          im confused.
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                          • Cokrkilr
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 377

                            #14
                            I didn't believe athomas at first when tuning my lvl10, the bolt had very little resistance but still had chuffing issues. I went up a half a carrier size, the bolt literally wiggles and slips right out, but it seals up with air.... I couldn't believe it would seal being that loose but it did, no issues anymore

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                            • knownothingmags
                              RKM 3D Designs

                              • Apr 2010
                              • 4810

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cokrkilr View Post
                              I didn't believe athomas at first when tuning my lvl10, the bolt had very little resistance but still had chuffing issues. I went up a half a carrier size, the bolt literally wiggles and slips right out, but it seals up with air.... I couldn't believe it would seal being that loose but it did, no issues anymore
                              oh no kidding.
                              maybe ill put that size carrier in, i have one that feels exactly how you describe.

                              what do the different springs do? and how do they effect tuning? im using a gold/ the short spring.

                              thankyou,
                              KNM.
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