mag range(not what you think)

[Minimag4me]

I have a minimag with the stock barrel and my friend has a sto cocker. He seems to be getting more range at similar fps and less arc. Could the barrel nubbin be putting a top spin on the paintball to make it have less distance? I know no paintball marker can shoot farther than another but if the nubbin is putting top spin it can happen. Or am i just dumb and i have to ditch the stock barrel for like a 10 inch or something? I hope you know what im talking about and i expect no flames for the question it is not a range debate just a nubbin question. Thanks

[LeadBasedPaint]

I'm not sure if it's true but it has long been said that cockers have the farthest range of any gun (not counting T98 w/flatline) because of thier closed bolt design.

[Load SM5]

Cocker's have nothing about them that would make them shoot farther. It could be your friend has a better paint/barrel match than you do. Also his gun might be shooting a little more consistantly. Are you both shooting nitro or CO2?
If it's that bad check your barrel for some grit, goo or a bad spot in the finish. A good barrel could help quite a bit.

[Magadeth]

I have a minimag and the first thing I did was get rid of the stock barrel. The stock barrel is a large bore barrel and IMO is not the best if you are using a high quality paint like marbs. Get a better barrel paint match and you will see a marked improvement.

As for the nubbin causing backspin, I highly doubt it. The nubbin would have to be in WAY to far and the paint would have to be so small that it would be able to roll down the entire length of the barrel. You would also see it curving off to the side if this was the case.

As for what lead based said, that is a paintball myth. Closed bolt does not affect range and the only advantage cockers have over lower qulity guns is the consistancy that is obtained by quality construction and regulated pressure. No offense lbp.

[LeadBasedPaint]

None taken. I was pretty sure it was a myth.

[Minimag4me]

WE both run co2 right now and we use the same medium ore paint. HE is using the stock wgp/jj barrel which is about 4 inches longer than my stock. It is possibly the paint to barrel match. My barrel is completely clean with no imperfection. SO i dont know. Thanks

[The Mad Painter]

about the nubbin, the go from the side, so you'd whiz paint left or right, never topspin. barrel length doesnt have any affect on range. it does, however, have to do with effeciency. small barrels take a lot of air to propel them to full speed in a short time. long barrels take a lot of air to propel them and KEEP them going out a long barrel. 10-14" has been proven time and time again as the most consistent grouping in length. keep in mind porting has nothing to do with range either. effeciency once again, and sound. more porting, less efficiency, less noise. you could try another barrel, look for a medium, or possibly small if you know what you'll be shooting. RPS is small, diablo runs med to small, so dont purchase large barrels unless you have a reason to.

[Minimag4me]

which way the nubbin moves i dont think matters(i always thought the nubbin was pushed down by the passing ball because if it moved sideways it would still be in the way of the ball) i just think that there is a greater resistance on the bottom of the ball that doesnt occur on top which would create topspin.

[swisscirca]

I have not played with a mag yet, but Have with a nice cocker. I have also seen others who play with a mag. The autococker just seems to shoot farther. I t has to do with the closed bolt design vs. the open of a mag, also he has a lower operating pressure than you so there is less force or stress(not sure what word to use) put on the ball, that would be a reason why his does not arc as much as yours. Also he porbably has a better paint to barrel match than you do.

I am pretty sure this is correct but not 100% positive.

[Minimag4me]

thanks for the reply but i was just thinking the paint to barrel match wouldnt matter if the balls were going the same velocity. it doesnt have to do with the closed bolt or lower pressure thats why i think the nubbin may be suspect

[The Mad Painter]

anyone here ever had a physics class? you'd actually feel foolish right now if you did... closed verse open bolt means nothing. maybe a foot more, just to make you happy and say closed shoots farther. but it doesnt really. given velocity and angle, you'd go the same distance. forces that can hinder that, barrel/paint match, POSSIBLY your nubin, if its jammed so far in there its acting like a Z-Body. Things that WONT affect you, no matter how hard you may try, LENGTH of barrel, PORTING in barrel, CLOSED verse OPEN bolt. None of those are gonna throw an extra 20 feet into the package. Granted, a flatline will hurl a ball farther, and a Z-body has the potential as well, but you have neither, and he has niether. the only thing he probably has on you would be a better paint to barrel match. if your stock barrel is large bore, and the paint is small, its gonna affect not only range, but effeciency and accuracy. strat a flame on a tech board, open vs closed bolt, or, "why pumps RADICALLY outshoot semis." people love to bash those topics. its been proven with mags and cockers set in shooting vices on benches, at 40 degree angles. ive done it, ive done it with pumps, ive done it with an electro, cocker, mag, diamond GT, spyder. they all went for the most part the same distance. of course the more stable cocker, mag, electro, fell in a tighter pattern. less velocity fluctuation. but thats it. no closed to open bolt. sorry to seem rude, but im sure it will come up in Blue, or some other elite forum if it hasnt already.

[The Mad Painter]

i forgot to mention the nubbin, the main focus here. sorry. the nubbin in a mag barrel comes in on the side. the ball drops from right side into left, and the nubbin is NOT going to throw the ball into a curve for 2 good reasons. ONE, the nubbin is not wide enough. at the very most it would put a dent in the ball, causing crappy out of control paintballs, no particular spin induced. its not wide enough to form a skid plate like my Z-Body. i know a lot about backspin, nubbins, and the works, due to owning a Z-Body and playing around with it. i love seeing what she can do in a wide open field. SECONDLY, even if the nubbin managed to induce the same spin every time, which is highly doubtful, your spin WOULDNT be top spin. if it was, you'd see a ball come out of the barrel and fall 10 feet later. it wouldnt go straight, it'd plop out and fall like a freaking cow off a watertower. so if it would let you sleep easier, back the nubbin out a little. take it out, bend it back, place it back in, and notice that you may double feed, and probably still have the same range as before.

do some checking. they talked about "nubbin spin" back in the day. i think they even went to a double nubbin at one point in time, possibly the RT? dont hold me to it, because i here all sorts of good stuff at the field. half of it turns out to be branchildren from the owner, but every now and then they;re right. do checking, see, AGD mught answer the question in it.

[Flymonkey53]

its physics DISTANCE=MASS X VELOCITY
so if your using the same paint with the same MASS and shooting at the same VELOCITY they will go the same DISTANCE the bolt would have nothing to do with it the only other variable is the barrel. The porting in your barrel can also have an impact as the air behind the ball is what pushes it out of the barrel (duhhhh) so if the air escapes through the porting then there is not as much effecting the ball therfore it slows down and will not go as far. I think i read somewhere that the optimum place for porting was 8"-10" down the length of the barrel.

[Mag89]

98% of the time all guns if set at same volicity willl shoot the same distance.

[The Mad Painter]

the porting has no effect on velocity. either way, when you chrono, the paintball will travel 285. whether you have a 5" non ported, or a 20" boomstick, when the ball leaves the barrel, she's gonna be traveling at 285, or whatever speed you want. it can offer less resistance in front of the ball, and create less distortion and noise, but its not going to slow it down once its left the barrel. thats why porting all brings up the issue of effeciency. like you said, the air escapes from the porting. therfore you have to throw more air behind it to keep it at the desired FPS once it leaves the barrel at the chrono.