Lvl 10 and inconsistent velocity

[themagballer]

Hi guys,

I setup a Lvl 10 kit in my classic valve and tuned it but could not get the velocity to settle down any smaller than a 20 FPS window both above and below 285 FPS over the course of shooting around 4 cases of paint. My question is how much could the Lvl 10 kit be causing the erratic velocity (carrier was setup with the biggest oring that wouldn't leak) or is it the reg seat only that's causing the problem. I like the Lvl 10 but I like my Lvl 7 setup better due to the dead on every time velocity.
Any ideas from you guys as to how I can get the kit to shoot better would be great.

[fhawkeye]

which spring are you using in the level 10 out of curiosity?

[themagballer]

I've used all 3 but the Lvl 7 gold spring is my preferred setup if the paint will handle it.

[Tunaman]

Hi guys,

I setup a Lvl 10 kit in my classic valve and tuned it but could not get the velocity to settle down any smaller than a 20 FPS window both above and below 285 FPS over the course of shooting around 4 cases of paint. My question is how much could the Lvl 10 kit be causing the erratic velocity (carrier was setup with the biggest oring that wouldn't leak) or is it the reg seat only that's causing the problem. I like the Lvl 10 but I like my Lvl 7 setup better due to the dead on every time velocity.
Any ideas from you guys as to how I can get the kit to shoot better would be great.

I would try changing the reg seat, put a drop of oil on it before closing it up, and dont take it apart there until it needs servicing down the road. Theoretically you should not loosen the halves once a new reg seat is in there as it may not seat back in the exact same place.

[themagballer]

Hi Tunaman, I have some reg seats on the way as well as some autolube. So am I assuming correctly that my classic valve should be able to shoot just as consistently with the Lvl 10 as it does with the Lvl 7?

[Tunaman]

Hi Tunaman, I have some reg seats on the way as well as some autolube. So am I assuming correctly that my classic valve should be able to shoot just as consistently with the Lvl 10 as it does with the Lvl 7?

yes

[Nobody]

Yes, the L10 won't chqnge the consistency unless you are about to chop a ball and you get that chuff shot. That means the L10 kit is working and prevented a chopped ball.

[themagballer]

Thank you to all who responded, after I get reg seats in ill get my Lvl 10 re-setup.

[BiNumber3]

Would lower tank output affect it? like if the tank's output is under 800psi?

[athomas]

Yes, low tank pressure will affect the operation. If your tank gauge is reading under 800psi, it may actually be less than that. The level 10 higher operating pressure means there isn't much pressure difference between the tank pressure and the front chamber pressure. There are two regulators between the tank pressure and the chamber, and each needs some pressure difference to react properly. A slow flow will affect the regulator's ability to regulate properly and could cause the mag valve regulator to stop at slightly different pressures each time.

[themagballer]

Hi guys, just adding to this. My issue with the inconsistent velocity was happening all the way through a tank fill on a 68-4500 HPA tank. Now if the tank reg was acting screwy.....I don't know. Ill post up after I get my new reg seat in and re-setup my Lvl 10 to let everyone know what the outcome was.

[athomas]

If it was acting up from a full tank down to an empty tank, then I would rule out that it is caused by a low tank. You should always do troubleshooting on a tank with a fill pressure that is known to be at least 200psi above the regulated output pressure of the tank regulator for every shot.

That means you are definitely back to the original diagnosis of a bad regulator seat or other oring issue.

[Cyco-Dude]

Hi guys, just adding to this. My issue with the inconsistent velocity was happening all the way through a tank fill on a 68-4500 HPA tank. Now if the tank reg was acting screwy.....I don't know. Ill post up after I get my new reg seat in and re-setup my Lvl 10 to let everyone know what the outcome was.

well, the easy thing to do then would be to test it again using a different tank. if it is the tank reg, it means it is time to rebuild it. that issue seems consistent with my experience with a tank reg, just before the lp burst disk blew.

[captian pinky]

my guess is going to be reg piston.

[Spider-TW]

my guess is going to be reg piston.

They do get sticky sometimes. Has no one said "shoot some oil through it" yet?