Most overpriced gun

[rudy]

well first of all your getting into personal preference, why do you need a 45 frame? that would be your personal preference on a gun. AGD didnt use them and i dont think they do yet on the classics. and that is one of the things palmer should change cause he could probbaly make the gun with a 45 frame for the same price as the other frame he is just a little stubborn about some of that stuff, which I agree he should switch over to some more standard parts. The system your setting up has the arguably best reg on the market on that gun. And really on that gun you dont need a inline reg. and its not realy compareable to a cocker directly since you also still have a lighter gun that i also belive is more effecient. when you take all the items into account I feel the blazer is a better buy for your buck as a whole gun. its design is so much smaller and lighter. yet operates technically like a cocker.

[BTAutoMag]

you forgot spyders... i mean its getting insane now! all they do is weld on a new part and charge us 50$ for it.

[[M@g_D@ddy]]

i know what u mean. i loved the spyder "ones" and the elites. they were simple, clean, cheap, and great 'guns to customize. but now they're gettin ugly and expensive. kingman needs to get back to their roots. cheaper, worse performing 'guns are takin their place.

[MiniMagger2002]

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[OldSchoolMag]

I think that Dark Angels are overpriced.

Let's go over the differnces between stock and Dark:

About $700 and some milling.

Sweet cheezy fascheezy! Don't get me wrong, I love Angels, but if you take a stock LCD and slap a $30 trigger job on it, you've already got a better gun than a Dark.

And don't bring up that "Well, it's lighter than before" junk, it doesn't matter. A real man (or woman, ladies) wouldn't notice. Isn't that someone's quote? It rocks.

OSM

[RT_Luver]

dark Ir3 angel

[Snakebite78]

Cockers ain't bad

I got an older cocker i bought for about 400, little overpriced, looks like semi-poo, but man-o-man, when i hammer on that trigger, no breaks, not a lot of noise, smooth, accurate, i don't give a rats hind end what my gun looks like, if it performs, that's all that matters. When I'm running through the woods (i play rec), nobody can see what friggin color my gun is, but when i pelt them in the mask, they have a good idea what color paint i'm using and how good it tastes.

[Archangel Kid]

ok i wanna add onto this angel vs bushy before i say what i believe is over priced..... i've yet to see a bushy shoot 19bps :) but i have set a trigger job on my friends angel where it does shoot 19bps.... wit a warp and a custom 12v adapter done by psychomag.... also i don't believe that bushys and angels are alike... the whole feel of the angel feels more sturdy then a bushy.. the trigger on a bushy is so sloppy... IMO.... ok now what do i believe is over priced is the dark angel... there is nuttin good about the dark except A LITTLE TINY AMOUNT of milling & the fades....

[pete-is-god17]

ok, i would just like to say that you people who knock angels really shouldnt. they are great guns. they always shoot straight, have very little problems, are easy to maintain, have the best trigger pulls i have ever felt, and they look better than any bushy.

now, im not saying that bushys arent great guns, i kinda like them, but they are ugly as <B>*me*</B>, and when u pay alot for a gun it should at least be pleasing to the eye.

i have shot an excal and i was impressed, but it wasnt nearly all it was cracked up to be.

in conclusion, it all depends on what you are willing to spend your money on. if you find your purchase justifiable then your money is never wasted.

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[pete-is-god17]

as for over priced guns IN MY OPINION the palmer typhoon is very overpriced.

its 700 for a gun that cant even remove its barrel. some crazy guy at my field has two and they both perform like <B>*POOF*</B> he double feeds like 2-5 times a game and these usually result in barrel brakes and in some instances, chops. and i dont know if this is a problem for all of them, but he cant get his velocity to go above 250 on both of them, withought getting +- about 30 over the chrono.

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[Mag89]

The whole sport is expensive

[[M@g_D@ddy]]

lol, true 'dat.

[Jerhew]

Originally posted by pete-is-god17
as for over priced guns IN MY OPINION the palmer typhoon is very overpriced.

its 700 for a gun that cant even remove its barrel. some crazy guy at my field has two and they both perform like ****. he double feeds like 2-5 times a game and these usually result in barrel brakes and in some instances, chops. and i dont know if this is a problem for all of them, but he cant get his velocity to go above 250 on both of them, withought getting +- about 30 over the chrono.

results not typical.

first of all, all palmer guns have lifetime warranties...
as long as it isn't user-inflicted damage, any problem the guy is having could be fixed by palmer free of charge.
every gun palmer makes has a history card. palmer keeps track of all the work done on every gun, as well as who owned it. he probably lost his ball detente if he's double feeding...and there is no need to remove the palmer barrel because it is one of the best made, not to mention the ultra-quik strip bolt(you can remove the bolt, squeegie through, and replace it within 30sec)

yes palmers Typhoons are expensive. They are also hand built from scratch, nickel plated, and have the most consistant, and most dependable pneumatics system available. the reason they can't be milled is because they are made out of brass, not aluminum.
there is no need to do anything to it, because it is built to order, the way you want it. upgrades not needed.

and as far as the earlier comment about blazers being as good as any cocker...
go shoot one and compare...
now if that doesn't change your mind, try asking any 'cocker owner how much down time he has spend retiming it...blazers come timed, and stay timed.
we won't even go into the fact that 'cockers would still be snipers if it wasn't for Glenn Palmer.
oh and by the way...ask any knowlegable 'cocker owner what the best lpr and inline regs are: palmer rock, palmer stabilizer, hands down.
what's that piece built into the lower front of a typhoon? a rock? and where is that silly 4way valve that always gets messed up from being out in the environment on a cocker? protected in the grip frame? clever...
btw a typhoon will blow the doors off an angel any day

sorry if i sound a little testy, I just don't like it when someone has a lot to say and is completely uneducated about it. if you have any more questions regarding palmers go to the POG forum. and don't badmouth something you know so little about.

http://www.paintmagazine.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=8

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and by the way. the most overpriced gun in existence today is the DYE autococker. they're over a grand...for barely stock performance. i'd rather use a pump.

[mykroft]

The Typhoon is a nice custom gun. they are custom built (Somewhat restricted options), hence the price. Price a stroker conversion from anyone, and it'll be around the same price, after you include the cost of a pump. If you want a removable barrel, get a blazer or cocker, the stock barrel is a good medium bore barrel, just don't run Diablo through it.

Note that Palmer did not invent the autococking pump, he did develop it around the same time Bud Orr did, and they did communicate some during the development, rack that idea up to the 2 of them, not just Palmer.

As to the Blazer, I've shot a couple, and IMHO the tricked out ones compare to the current stock cockers. They are much nicer than a 99 stock cocker, but the current 2K2's are their equal in performance, and the aftermarket cockers with a good hinge frame are noticably superior. I've owned 2 cockers, and the only time they got re-timed was when I modified some part of the trigger assmbly (New Frame on my 2K2, new unslotted plate on my old 99). Cockers are incredibly reliable if you stick to good parts(Palmer, WGP, Belsales), and DFWI.

Palmer makes some of the best regs on the market, and teh QuickRam is the best ram for LP operation, due to it's larger diameter. I'm not a huge fan of the palmer 4-way, but it's as good as a STO 4-way, just more $$.

My problems with Palmer are pretty much the restrictions on what they'll do to a 'Custom' marker and the price/performance ratio of the Blazers.

[puckmaster]

The whole dam sports expensive.

But other than that, the KAPP Flame cocker(but it is sure is one nice looking gun)