** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Matches]

Im having the same problem as Big Rob with the level 10 on a minimag.
Since installing the L10 the marker has been running great but as soon as any pressure is applied to the front of the barrel the marker will drop down to 180 fps or stop and vent.
I have tried everything suggested on the posts to stop this but it is still occuring.
After comparing my bolt to the ones shown on the installation guide and the 'half" section of the L10, I have noticed that in the pic's the bolt has a tapered front radius, while Big robs and mine has a raised radius- resulting in a 'bubble' effect along the front of the bolt.
Would this be causing the bolt to jam? and if so would it be possible to polish the radius down ??

Any assitance on this wold be great
Thankyou

[GhillieGuy]

Do the same thing i told bigrob to do...

[Matches]

Yep i have have played with that too GhillieGuy, I currently have the barrel in so tight i have to use both hand with the marker between my knees to unlock it from the twist lock. (also loosened it off too and tried it like that ....sorry no success)

Thanks

[BIG ROB]

The end of the bolt doesn't look like it is tapered enough to slide past the 1/4mm of barrel that shifts when the barrel is touched. The bulge looks rounder than ones I have seen in pics on the net. We havn't had any problem with the others, as 3 are micromags with cocker threds and the others havn't been used yet. Still don't know if I should try taking a bit off the front of the bolt or rounding out the lip of the barrel. But I dont want to screw a perfectly good bolt or boomstick.

[GhillieGuy]

It might just be the barrel... What kind is it?

[Matches]

Im using a Stainless Dye Boomstick, but Big Rob and I have tried it with a combination of different automag barrels all with the same result.

[GhillieGuy]

Ya got me...

[Havoc_online]

GhillieGuy - how high have you turned up the velocity? till it bleeds out the back(if so did it fire then)? What's your input pressure? What type of valve are you using? Make sure your batteries are fresh. Take off the bolt and see if it fits the body ok. Make sure your using the biggest carrier that doesnt leak. Make sure the cut side of the spring is on the bolt.

BarryTolar - all o'rings are different, so long as your using the biggest carrier that doesnt leak, your fine(it'll get softer as it breaks in and you re-chrono). The longer the spring, the softer on paint. Try a 850input pressure.

BIG ROB and Matches - Take your barrels off and your valves out. Then get the bolt and make sure it fits inside the barrel. If there's a hang-up, switch barrels if you can, if thats the best barrel for the paint your using, then you can polish the OD of the bolt just a tad, dont over do it. It should help. However, the bolt probably fits in the barrel and what you most likely have to do is go down a carrier with the same o'ring. I think both your set-ups are on the peak of holding pressure which makes any bolt movement(by moving the barrel) cause a leak. Try going do a carrier, the o'ring will eventually break in a tad more and you should be fine.

[Matches]

After much stuffing around cleaning, polishing, changing o'rings etc I finally figured out what was causing the bolt stick
As ive had my minimag for about 9 to 10 years there was a bit of ware and tear in the main body which was causing the regulator and bolt assembly to be slightly off center to the main body.............Solution: I had to tighten the field strip screw with an allen-key rather than use my fingers.
Basically i had to make sure the body screw and field stip screw were tightened with the same force (or torque).
Its funny how the simplest thing allways cause you the most hassle

Thanks for the help guys

[Havoc_online]

Glad you figured it out!

something I gotta mention though, bolt stick is different from a leak down the barrel when pressures applied


Your problem is somewhat comman on older mag bodies. What happens is the inner body washer develops a burr causing the bolt to either not fit or not stroke properly. Get yourself a file and try and take that burr out so the bolt fits fine. Dont overtighten the field strip screw, that'll eventually lead to more problems.

[Matches]

Cool bananas, I have a look at the body washer on the weekend.

Thanks

[Fnoskar]

Have a brand nwe X-mag.
A little problem:

The bolt is hard as rock!
Could cut off my finger!
Chops balls like a meatgrinder.


Is it a stronger spring thats the solution?
The chrono shows 240..

[maglover52]

Re: x valve wont shoot

Originally posted by maglover52
i just got it today and it wont shoot when i gas it up with air it makes the noise like its flowing through but the sear doesnt pop forward?

i have tried the diffrent spacers and it did the same thing. and the instructions arent helping.

[Havoc_online]

Fnoskar - Welcome to AO! Congrats on your new purchase. Yes, you can use a longer spring to be softer on paint. I suggest the cut(mid) spring(cut side goes on the bolt). Also, your Xmag needs to be broken in, take off the barrel, puts about 8 drops of oil into the asa and dry fire it plenty of times. As your Level 10 breaks in, it will soften up some more.

maglover52 - turn up your velocity till the sear engages.

[Fnoskar]