** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[yeahthatsme]

ok, i am running no shims, the #1 carrier and the smallest spring, whenever i air up it doesnt leak but when i shoot the bolt only moves a little forward and then it stops and vents until i reset it with a spring, whats up? thanks for any help.

[shadow462]

Ok...
I'm using the long spring, 1.5 carrier (first one that doesn't leak) and 2 shims. The squeegee test was fine (bolt stopped, then reset.). The finger test was the same, and the force on my finger wasn't so bad. However, when my revvy batteries died in-game yesterday, i started chopping like it was going out of style. How do I minimize the force of the bolt during the forward stroke to keep chops from happening?

[Havoc_online]

Load SM5 I'd like to get my hands on your marker and give a go at it if you'd be willing.

treyco sounds like either your carrier is too tight and you need a lot of pressure to get past the friction or your bolt doesnt fit the body properly. What's your input pressure and are you using HPA or Co2?

MG79 the most common problem by far with consistency is usually solved by going to a good paint/barrel match(use good quality paint too, cheap stuff wont be consistent in size from ball to ball). just go with 2 shims, if you run into any problems(boltstick-add another shim, leak when you fire- take a shim out)

obsolete898 your boltstem may be just in tolerance, that could be why it needs all the shims. As for effciency, what's your input and what type of barrel are you using? what spring?

yeahthatsme What's your input? You sure your velocity is up high enough? Have you tried to see if it leaked with a bigger carrier?

[Havoc_online]

shadow462 what type of valve and what's your input? Is the cut side of the spring on the bolt end? If it's that bad you can goto the longer spring at the expense of a little more gas to be used but IMO it's something else. I can throw a VL200 on a Emag and walk the trigger with the cut spring and cheap paint without a single chop.

[Load SM5]

I appreciate the offer Havoc. I sent the gun to Airgun to have them look at it while they install the ACE. Hopefully they'll let me know what I was doing wrong. I've installed the LX 5 at least times so far with no problems, and this one had me stumped.

[shadow462]

havoc: I'm already using the long spring. It's a ReTro valve, and I've got about 650 going into it cause my maxattack needs a new load spring.

[yeahthatsme]

input: 800 psi

velocity: not sure

other carriers: this is the only one that works

i will try the velocity when i get some more air.

[Fugifilm]

spring addj.

when I put the largest spring it doesnt fire at all... even when I have my velocity turned almost all the way up...same with the middle spring, the only one that works is the stock spring??? What am I doing wrong?

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
obsolete898 your boltstem may be just in tolerance, that could be why it needs all the shims. As for effciency, what's your input and what type of barrel are you using? what spring?

My input is at 850psi and I'm using the stock barrel. I'm using the longest spring. It still seems like the bolt hits hard, I've been chopping like 1-3 balls a game.

Like Load I've already put in 4 of these things and this one just won't work to it's full potential. I can't figure out the problem. Thanx Havoc, all your help is greatly appreciated.

[Fugifilm]

Re: spring addj.

Originally posted by Fugifilm
when I put the largest spring it doesnt fire at all... even when I have my velocity turned almost all the way up...same with the middle spring, the only one that works is the stock spring??? What am I doing wrong?

Fugifilm-Did u try to chrono it and mayb turn down the Velocity??? That could help dramatically.

[CMDane]

My power tube tip came off during some paint testing and the rest of the LX stuff ended up residing in the bolt. Chewed up the o-ring carrier o-ring up pretty bad in the process. I replaced the carrier's o-ring and ended up with the slight barrel hiss on gas-up. Removed everything, oiled it and hiss went away. Then I developed the same hiss after a string of about 50 shots after the initial gas-up.

Here's the set-up:
850 regulated input (can't change that)
Medium Spring
2 Spacers
1 Line Carrier

Tom, this is the LX that you were surprised at at the SoCal AO Meet. You stuck your finger in the breech and was surprised that I could get it up to 315 at the chrono. I'd like to keep the same "softness" if at all possible.

Thanks in advance,
Charles

[devingoode]

on my mag, when I turn on the on/off, it will shoot correctly once, then the level 10 will shoot half way like a ball is in the power feed, and then it will shoot normally, and then shoot like a ball is in the p/f, and so on...any pointers???

[bratch]

LX went from bad to worse... I take it apart to try other cariers and when I put it back together I get a gusher of air down the barrel. This occured with all of the carriers. To top that off I couldn't get the dynaflow to quit leaking. If anybody has any good ideas on the LX let me know otherwise its going in to AGD. And to think it was a perfect initial set-up

[Havoc_online]

Load SM5 np bud, I'm very curious as to what the problem is though lmk what it is if you find out. How cold was it when this happened?

shadow462 You need a higher input to give a good crisp cycle and check your nubbins, if you dont have plastic, get some. Also, how cold was it when this happened?

Fugifilm keep turning it up till it bleeds pressure, then you know you've gone to high. You may be running to tight of a carrier(make sure the carrier and o'ring are installed properly) or not high enough of an input pressure. What type of valve and how much pressure are you running? Did you reply to yourself with a bogus solution or was that a server error?

obsolete898 Your input and barrel are perfect(as long as the paint fits alright) the long spring is what's killing your effciency. It seems that the problem may lie in your boltstem being slightly off, changing the length of the lp stage. Still, 1-3 balls a game is way too much, how cold was it, did the paint fit the barrel ok? Plastic nubbins ok? I could take a look at it if you want. And your welcome- thank you's are always greatly appreciated.

CMDane the hiss may be coming from a bad carrier o'ring(the outer black one), or your other o'ring may of just broken in a bit more,(or it got scratched or damaged when that happened)

devingoode sounds like you have a low input pressure or a low velocity.

bratch fix your tank first and get your input high enough, then we'll work on the LX, the leaks can be only so many things, be patient and in the end, you'll be glad for it.

[Load SM5]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
Load SM5 np bud, I'm very curious as to what the problem is though lmk what it is if you find out. How cold was it when this happened?

Only 55 degrees Havoc. Not nearly cold enough for what was going on. I'll let you know what the prob was, the curiosity is killing me.