Cocker range vs. Mag

[FeelTheRT]

ok... this is starting to turn into a Mag VS Cocker accuracy debate rather than range. Range will be the same. I've herd many people talk about Cockers being more accurate at longer ranges, but that is probably due to the very little recoil Cockers have oppose to the kick the Mag has.

But i do beleive the paintballs fly differently w/ the two guns. On my Cocker, when i short a ball, and get other crap in the gun, the balls fly off to the side like if it's retarded. When i had my RT and broke a ball (which i rearly did), it would just shoot right through it. It wouldn't be as accurate but didn't curve off like a mofo.

[Cha0tic]

ok, i just want to suggest that you people read up on things before you post.

lower pressure does not increase accuracy. sure it hits the ball with less force (with a higher volume), but that has nothing to do with it. Tom Kaye did some tests of balls shooting. he filmed it with a very high speed camera and saw what kind of distortion happened. i think he used a clear barrel so he could see.

pump guns- with pumps, you are more accurate because you take time to aim, and then shoot. with semi-autos, you tend to fire rapidly which will mess up your aim because of recoil and your fingers going back and forth.

shooting through ball breaks- different barrels shoot through ball breaks better than others....

range- just read your physics book. and for you people that are too young for physics and can't understand, just take my word for it. 2 guns shooting the same FPS with the same barrel and the same paint will have very little difference in accuracy.

[X-Plosive]

I think it's time to lock this........ anyone, please

TigerII you need to take some anger management classes and you need to stop butchering other peoples signatures.

I dunno mac24k I wouldn't put my finger in the way of any bolt. All I know is that Tom said there is no ball distortion when shot out of a mag. You have to remember that that pencil was under the scissor effect and broke because the powerfeed caught the pencil and snapped it. I don't think the same thing would happpen to a paintball since half of it isn't in the breach. I know freeflows won't even break a ball and just burp when you shortstroke.

FeelTheRT it was going into an accuracy debate but I think that the end of my second post got it back on track. I guess for your test to be valid you really have to think about all the variables specially the balls you were using and the barrels. Maybe you were using the older RPS and then used the new advantage shell on another gun(just a possiblity). I think bill mills should test this to end the debate.

[FeelTheRT]

Originally posted by X-Plosive

FeelTheRT it was going into an accuracy debate but I think that the end of my second post got it back on track. I guess for your test to be valid you really have to think about all the variables specially the balls you were using and the barrels. Maybe you were using the older RPS and then used the new advantage shell on another gun(just a possiblity). I think bill mills should test this to end the debate.

I always use TC. It's with any Cocker i've shot really. Any time i break a ball in a Cocker, the rest just go flying off like dumbnutz, while my Mag would just shoot right through it. I havn't really shot any other Mags, well except Major Ho's but i don't belelive i've broke a ball in his gun...

Any other Cocker&Mag owners exprience this?

[X-Plosive]

I think what you say is okay but it all sounds like a big flame and you say everyone knows absoutely ZERO about this topic. Shartley's not posting as much here so I think I should fill in the gap. I too was starting to think shartley would get into pointless and endless rants but I now see why he was/is needed on this forum.

[Shaft]

But don't Cockers have elves that help improve distance?

I have a side question:
Which gun is more consistant with velocity? Making paint, air source, barrel as equal as possible. Hm. Is this even a fair question?

[X-Plosive]

Yep those elves are cool. Hmmmm good question. I guess both are equal depending on what you do. The ReTro valve is +/-2 when in rapid fire. You can also gut the AIR valve and run a palmer stab so I say that both are just as consistent.

[id_oNe]

Heres a new question, which one is more dependable?

[X-Plosive]

I guess there are really way to many variables to judge that one. If the cocker is owned by a compitent person and it's set up properly it would be just as reliable as a mag.

[Manuel_FZR]

can be as fast as a Mag, and a Mag can be as accurat as a Cocker ... and every serious player will tell that.
btw ... the range is the same!

Everyone should play the gun he preferes! And of course, the gun that you play at the moment is the best

[FeelTheRT]

no, this is not expired, and no they have lots of differences. This shall keep going untill either AGD or WGP goes out of business .

[z-zero]

Will it ever end?

Personally I'm getting a Mag to settle the debate for myself.

Someone with some time and cash should do this, get a stock cocker, a freak barrell, compressed air system, a Pro-team mag, and some perfect plastic .68 balls. Now set the guns in a vice barrel same height off the ground, guns set at same velocity, using same barrell, same tank, same plastic ball, do some single shot accuracy tests changing the only variable in question, the MARKER itself! this may take some time and money, but it would be good test with accurate results. Post the results and settle it forever. AGD could pull this off, hint hint.

Now for another angle. If the setup described above was used and the test was done to find the most efficient barrell length for gas consumption for both guns, would the lengths be the same? This test would involve many different none ported barrells (same ID) and the use of the same plastic ball shot once then retrieved then shot again. I think the results (most efficient barrell length.) would differ because the valves are completly different. So the whole point of you can't deny physics is true but do you really know all the varibles involved? I don't but I wish I had the resources to do this testing. AGD could this possibly be done? If the results were different, then accuracy, range, and effeiciency are not all totally controlled by paint barrell match. Wow that would be news to some. Just some thoughts, I'm sure there are some loop holes in there somewhere it was all just off the cuff.




z-zero

[Arturus]

Re: Will it ever end?

Originally posted by z-zero
Personally I'm getting a Mag to settle the debate for myself.

Someone with some time and cash should do this, get a stock cocker, a freak barrell, compressed air system, a Pro-team mag, and some perfect plastic .68 balls. Now set the guns in a vice barrel same height off the ground, guns set at same velocity, using same barrell, same tank, same plastic ball, do some single shot accuracy tests changing the only variable in question, the MARKER itself! this may take some time and money, but it would be good test with accurate results. Post the results and settle it forever. AGD could pull this off, hint hint.

Now for another angle. If the setup described above was used and the test was done to find the most efficient barrell length for gas consumption for both guns, would the lengths be the same? This test would involve many different none ported barrells (same ID) and the use of the same plastic ball shot once then retrieved then shot again. I think the results (most efficient barrell length.) would differ because the valves are completly different. So the whole point of you can't deny physics is true but do you really know all the varibles involved? I don't but I wish I had the resources to do this testing. AGD could this possibly be done? If the results were different, then accuracy, range, and effeiciency are not all totally controlled by paint barrell match. Wow that would be news to some. Just some thoughts, I'm sure there are some loop holes in there somewhere it was all just off the cuff.




z-zero

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

Doesn't answer all the specifics of your post, but at least a start.

[Manuel_FZR]

Very Interesting Link! Thanks!

[FeelTheRT]

yes yes, we know, open/closed bolt same ding dang thing. But some people tend to notice that Cocker shoot farther, i personally have not however, many others do.