Argh: Emag chopping

[alee@usma]

I bought a used emag for a friend, and we were testing it out today:

it's not level 10'd yet, but it is warp feed body w/ warp.

The marker chops pretty much EVERY ball that goes into it. I've tried two barrels - a boa snakebite and the stock AGD. Both have plastic nubbs.

Now, with my PERSONAL level 10 in, which I don't plan on giving him (HAH. It's MINE), the marker works perfectly. Still, he doesn't have the cash to buy the level 10, so what can I do to try to fix the marker? I read about sanding down the bolt nose, which I might go ahead and do for him, but is that the only reason for the chopping?

[athomas]

My emag chopped all the time before the level 10. Its probably due to the rate of fire. Without an intellifeed on the warp, you are probably firing the next shot before the ball is loaded into the breach.

[alee@usma]

but, that doesn't make sense

not a cut on you, but if that were the case, then the marker is by definition defective. I know it's not...i've seen emags fire just fine without the level 10, so what's wrong with this one?

[Kevmaster]

i had the same thing with my PTP Emag. i couldnt get the thing to stop chopping. used different paint, barrels, everything....

only LX solved it, i dont know why tho

[alee@usma]

what's going on here?

can anyone from AGD explain this? Seriously, if this is a widespread problem, why isn't the solution known?

[Pand0ra]

Re: but, that doesn't make sense

Originally posted by alee@usma
not a cut on you, but if that were the case, then the marker is by definition defective. I know it's not...i've seen emags fire just fine without the level 10, so what's wrong with this one?

As you said, sand the edge of the bolt. That could be the cause of your problem.
Mine never broke a ball (or at least only once in a while before the upgrade to the C&C and the level 10), but had the edge off the bolt rounded from the begining. From what I've read it has a strong impact on the occurences of the breaks. Check also the edges on the main body, in the powertube. It could also damages the balls.

I would also check if the dwell on the warp feed is not too high. Again, mine used to push too much on the balls, causing problems of dual feed and breaks. Check the warp doesn't move more than 1/4 turn for each shot.

[joeyjoe367]

how's the bolt spring look? If it's worn, couldn't that increase bolt-speed, and in turn = more broken paint?

...that's been one of my theories about lvl 7 mags since lvl 10 came out.

[alee@usma]

I'm using a brand new spring with the bolt.

One other thing that I noticed: I'm having difficulty just dry firing a long string of shots. The max I can put out with my friend's emag is only about 3-4 shots in a row max, before it just "locks" up for a second and starts over again.

I can get a long string of shots off with my micro emag, so something's not quite kosher with this I think.

Mabye there's a problem with the trigger or something?

[alee@usma]

still waiting

anyone else have any suggestions before I grind the edge down on this bolt?

[veteranmag]

I've never had any chopping problems with my Emag (no LVL 10 and standard power feed).

1. are u thoroughly cleaning the barrel, breech, warp tube, hopper after each breach? once you get a break and there is paint or a piece of shell somewhere the feeding of subsequent balls can be restricted enough that they are not feeding properly. Clean everything.

2. isolate the problem. If you have another Emag it's that much easier. If your Emag is working fine using the same paint while your friends used E-mag is chopping, start swapping components (one at a time - so you can isolate the source of the problem) from your gun to his to see if the problem with his gun stops. Start with the easiest compnents first - take your barrel and put it on his, if that doesn't work, then try the powerfeed plug, your air system, your bolt, spring, then your valve.

3. If that doesn't work, send it to AGD. They have the best customer service in the business - use it.

Good luck.

[alee@usma]

Here's what it probably was:

I fiddled around with it for a week, and figured it out (I think). The marker doesn't work well at speeds above 260-270. It consistently chops balls at that speed. After tuning it down and sanding the bolt a little, the chopping reduced to the point where the marker was playable.

thanks for all the help. I would, however, recommend that if you are having chopping problems, to try tuning your marker down to about 250 or so.

[toymyster]

I have never had any of the problems you mentioned with mine, before or after LX!!! And mine lives at 275fps!!! You are using a warp body, does it have the parabolic PF plug or is it the older style one??? How are the batteries in the warp?? You may need to increase the dwell on the warp!! It's possible the warp is not turning long enough to feed the ball all the way in!! As for not being able to shoot a long string, try a diferrent air source, could be an air supply problem!!

[alee@usma]

i'm sorry, i just have to do this

I understand that some people won't have these kinds of problems!! however, it's there, and other people have the same problem, so it exists!!

the warp body had the parabolic feed, of course...I don't think they sell markers with the old style plug. When the problem went away when we turned the reg down a little, I think it's safe to assume the warp doesn't play a role in this problem.

Abou the air...no, I don't think that's the problem. I'm using the very same tank on my micro emag, getting ridiculously long strings of shots off. Man, I love that marker.

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[toymyster]

I was just covering all the bases!! Do check the dwell time on your warp, though!! Thats the length of time the warp spins each time you pull the trigger!! To be on the safe side, set your warp to turn the wheel about 1/4 of a turn!!! Also, if you are not itellifeeding your warp, check the sestivity, it may not be turning with every trigger pull!! I still think your it's a feed problem with the warp!!!

[punkcmonkiez]

my emag had a serious chopping problem and it turned out the nubbin on the venteri bolt stuck out too far and wasnt chambering balls correctly and chopping
as a resolt if you rip it out in my case it works fine