AGD, please do not avoid

[Daniel Morse]

Echo, Echo

That is what I am asking. If you notice Tom has still not posted a definitive answer to this. All I want to know is, how does this happen and why. Also how to prevent it.

[Russ]

My point is, Has this occurance ever been documented? To say it happened is one thing, but to have sent the gun back for repairs, bolt & spring still lodged in barrel, is another.

X-Plosive said "they were stuck halfway down the barrel" but he also says that the bolt & spring were OK. I find this real hard to believe.

There's just no room for the bolt AND spring to get stuck in the barrel. I can understand a bolt getting stuck, be it by a broken nubbin, or by a spring which breaks, and the broken piece(s) get jammed in by the bolt. But for both, and then pop 'em out and just keep on playing, I dunno. Sound like trying to put 4 pounds of baloney in a 2 pound sack.

[Maverick]

I have to say that getting the bolt stuck in the barrel because of a broken nubbin is entirely possible. Also, the bent nubbin, when jammed into the barrel, can damage the inside of the barrel. What I would have to say is IMPOSSIBLE is any scenario where the bolt itself could get fired down the barrel. The bolt is absolutely too large to fit all the way down the barrel. The back end of the bolt would have to break off which could only happen due to a severe defect in the stainless steal itself. What I could see as possible though, is that the inner part of the bolt (the piece that actually inserts into the power tube) could break free and be fired down the barrel. This piece is actually a separate piece from the outside of the bolt and is heat fitted into the bolt. In a previous post on this forum discussing super-bolt construction options, Tom stated that AGD takes great care in the manufacturing of the bolt to try and avoid this at all costs, but I could see it as theoretically POSSIBLE. I don't know if it has ever happened though, nor do I remember ever reading anything on this forum reporting that this had actually occurred. As far as the spring getting into the barrel, I just can't see how that would be possible either. Inside the body of all Mag models there is a ring which the front part of the spring rests against. With the bolt in the ready to fire position (when the bolt is held back by the spring) the nose of the bolt sits inside this ring inside the body. This makes it impossible for the spring (even if broken into small pieces) to enter the barrel as the gap between the outer surface of the bolt and inner surface of the body ring is extremely small. If the spring were to break the bolt would move forward into the firing position and the spring would be unable to return the bolt to the pre-fire position. At all times the pieces of the spring would be trapped in the space behind the ring inside the body, thus preventing any of it from entering the barrel.

[Russ]

Here's X-Plosive's earlier post regarding this problem.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14317&highlight=bolt

I agree with you Maverick, it just doesn't seem feasible.

[Fritzy]

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This has to be a case of people misinterpreting a statement. I'm sure that the bolt was "stuck halfway in the barrel" is what was said. This was undeniably the bolt catching on a bent nubbin and being caught in the breech. In other words, the front half of the bolt would not return out of the breech. The bolt enters the barrel every time you cycle the marker. It would be quite impossible for the back end of the bolt to enter the barrel. Field strip your marker, take the bolt and stick it in the back of the barrel. You will no longer have this question.

I have experienced "bolt stick" myself several times with the new extended nose bolt. This is due to its commonly damaging the nubbin and getting stuck on it once it is protruding into the barrel. Fortunately, my barrel has not been damaged as of yet. Even if it was, a scratch in the breach of the barrel would have no effect on accuracy as the bolt places the ball ahead of this section when firing. I swapped my bolt out for an old version from my RT and have experienced no further nubbin issues. Since my Emag is a powerfeed the old bolt works fine.

[cphilip]

Same experience here Fritzy. Switched to old style short bolt and had no more problems. I think you are on the right track in describing the situation.

Except to mention it was the P style nubbins I was having problems with in conjunction with the long nosed bolt. Not sure if the V nubbins help as I had already changed the bolt by then but I am trying the new Emag with the stock Long Nosed an V's now with no problems yet.

[Mag89]

First of all the bolt and the spring cannot fit into the barrel and I have never heard of this happening. The part of the bolt were the sear catches onto the bolt stops the bolt from going into the barrel. The spring is bigger than the bore size of the barrel, so it cannot fit into the barrel.

[EnW]

There was a guy on here the other day from Africa that said the internal ring in the body that the spring compresses on broke free from the body. Is this what you are talking about Daniel? That was the first I had heard of anything like that happening...I doubt that "halfway down the barrel"
is literal.

[Restola]

i assume you stilll havent called them?

[Army]

WOO_HOO! I get to respond to ignorance, and I won't get in trouble this time!!

Daniel Morse, read Xplosives original post really slowly, ( http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...highlight=bolt ) ,since your comprehension is not very quick.

He says that the bolt and spring did not come out of the gun when he pulled the valve assembly out. Upon investigation, he found the bolt stuck in the barrel
DUE TO A BROKEN NUBBIN!!

He never says that the bolt, spring, retaining washer, body, barrel, valve, power feed, hopper, remote line, or Co2 tank was broken. He states that he ruined his last NUBBIN, that he had been chopping all day. Any goat could figure out that his nubbin caught the bolt and there is NO DEFECT OF THE GUN! This has been adequately pointed out by every one above, Tom does not need to give you an answer when it was right in front of you all the time.

sheesh

[Daniel Morse]

First Post

The questions in my first post have still not been answered. It is not a matter of can it happen, because people on this forum have had it happen to them, it is more a question of why it happens?

[Daniel Morse]

Army

Army read my question really slow because your skull is too thick. I never talked about Explosive. I never knew until today that his bolt got stuck. Others have had their bolt enter the barrel (I don't know how) and get stuck half way in the barrel (obviously breaking off the back of the bolt). I just want to know why AGD has still not responded to this question? Is he hiding something?

[Daniel Morse]

Re: Bolt and Barrel Problems!!!!!! Help!! hurry! AGD?

quote:

Originally posted by barretc
ok..here is what happened....I shot my gun without the barrel on and it worked fine...then when I put the barrel on, I shot the gun, and the bolt gets stuck in the barrel and slowly slides out real slow!) I have a Dye Stanless barrel. It has always worked fine till yesterday Can anyone exsplain this problem to me. Or/Any solutions?? I just dont understand why it just up and decided to do this. I need my gun to work for friday bc I have a tournie..

PLease anyone??
thanks Barret


Proof (now what)



Proof (now what)

[Daniel Morse]

You should know better

Army you should know better to comment before performing a search on ex: stuck bolt. Please Army do not speak out of turn and don't ever call me slow. I am just bringing this up because I have a boomstick and a bigshot and I don't want my barrels getting ruined by a bolt or broken nubbins. So think of my intentions.

[Paintchucker]

Why dont you write AGD email???

couple of points:

1.) Instead of repeatively posting on the board, which AGD may or may not have had time to read, why don't you write him an email directly. Probably save you some keystrokes...

2.) Be careful with the description 'stuck halfway' as it could be interpreted as stuck halfway down the length of the barrel, which the other posters have said is impossible, or it could mean that half the bolt was stuck in the barrel, which could easily be the nubbin bending or breaking and sticking the bolt inside the barrel entrance.

3.) What is this conspiracy theory you are trying to start? "please do not avoid" and "Is he hiding something?" You sorta remind me of the boy who cried wolf...