co2 help

[midnhtsun]

Co2 on automag

My mag would actually misfire on its own with co2 with hpa it hasnt done it at all, oh an yes i was using an expansion chamber!

[crazymex]

alright know i got really confused on what was ok and what wasnt so im gunna say my setup and if u guys could tell me if its ok to use co2 that'd be great...
an a.i.r. valve then frm the valve i got stell hose connected to a gas thru foregrip then i got about 2 incked of macro line connected to my pmi perfect drop
so if that setup is ok lemme know thanks

[The Deacon]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa....

Remotes are for scenario nuts with 98s?

I'm a scenario nut with an original RT running remote with no shoulder stock on a Crossfire tank. I doubt theres few of those.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by The Deacon
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa....

Remotes are for scenario nuts with 98s?

I'm a scenario nut with an original RT running remote with no shoulder stock on a Crossfire tank. I doubt theres few of those.

Heh, look, one of them came out of hiding!

[The Deacon]

Hiding? I was born again, brother!

Recently bought the RT, ditched a finniky AT-85 for it (made cockers look like mags it was so bad... )

I like the submachine gun style play with the Mag, I've always played with a stock before, so I'm enjoying it without one now. But you still can't get me to put the tank back on the gun,

[Mav D MagMan]

CrazyMex-

Sorry for the confusion, we're having a slight debate on whether or not it is okay to put co2 on your mag.

I say yes, Goatboy's against it (you can look through our posts and decide)

I wouldn't reccomend running co2 on the setup you have, mostly because it's got macroline on there. Pressures from a co2 tank can spike and blow your macroline (not to mention I hear talk of co2 weakening the plastic itself...)

So either switch to steel braided, upgrade to HPA, regulate your co2, or just be ready to replace your macroline...

Goatboy-
Expansion Chamber - Not too sure what you meant. There is no real direct path for co2 liquid to move through the *ACI* expansion chamber (I can't vouch for any others), at least none that I have ID'd when I dissassembled it, so holding the tank/chamber still wouldn't allow co2 to flow through:



Just an image so folks can see what I'm talking about inside the chamber I've dissasembled.

Anyways, we're way off topic. Let's just leave it as this, I say they're worthwhile you say they arent. Time to agree to disagree and let everyone else make their own decisions...

Upstanding companies - (off topic but I will address it just because it's here). Please don't tell me you're discrediting one of the most popular fads in paintball ("venturi bolts") ACI offers them, only because no aftermarket companies do (and what marker survives without an aftermarket following, even with mags now that they're making a comback more companies are supporting them).

The most important factor of ACI's Venturi is that it allows adjustable recock force, who else offers that in a high pressure blowback? (not talking velocity but actual recock force). I never bought one of these for my F4, never needed to, however adjusting the recock in those of my friends has shown changes in performance. (end of OT)

The cocker topic was beyond the scope of the thread? Naw it was a valid point, even the best products fail on occasion and more often than not it reflects more on the user, not the product.

Anyways you just proved showed me another way to run co2 effectively, long steel lines, it's how TK shows them back in his 90's mag video.

You haven't done the math well enough either, I could put together several effective (IMO) co2 setups for well under the cost of any HPA tank...

If you haven't noticed, my sig pretty much reflects my opinion on respecting you for what you have in your gear box. I've run everything you have in a game as well, doesn't mean you're right or that I am either.

Mav

[crazymex]

is there anything wrong with aci hpa tanks cuz ive seen a lot of aci tanks go pretty cheap

[Mav D MagMan]

Not since the Bulldog I (with the black regs).

If you pick up a red/chrome reg (Bulldog II) or an all silver (Bulldog III) they're great tanks (especially because they're low priced)

I've never had a trouble with shootdown or inconsistencies (and for whatever reason I get better performance out of mine than my Nitroduck).

While a big factor in consistency is your paint (and barrel) I ran a 264, 262, 264 over a red chrono with my F4, and a +/- 1 fps for three slow shots with my mag (time in between to reset a radarchron, so it might have been more deviation if done faster or over the more accurate red chronos). Usually a do see +/- 5 fps on my classic valve + ACI Bulldog II.

Just FYI for that level there are also steel tanks (cheaper but heavier) and I see a lot of good Crossfires etc. (My 47/49*3000 Nitroduck is steel and was about $90-100, but much heavier than a fiber wrapped 68*3000 ACI Bulldog)

Mav

P.S. No I do not get a commission for pitching these things!

[GoatBoy]

Well, yeah, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. There's another thread that nerobro has commented on that might be worth reading as well. He actually agrees with my points, but manages to come up with your conclusion; I'll leave you guys to figure out the key difference that turns my argument into his conclusion. I was considering jumping in on it, but I have to say this one's got me pretty beat down. If you read his post you'll see how he thinks that liquid gets in there, and will feed through it if not designed/handled properly.

Oh Hell, I'll just say it. Nero caveats any CO2 setup with "reasonable prudence." Or, in my own acerbic words, don't be stupid. You have to exercise self control and limit your rate of fire and the angle you keep your gun at. This is my main performance gripe with the CO2 solutions.

Yes, you can put a CO2 system together cheaper than an HPA. But to really even begin approaching HPA performance, you'd need an anti-siphon+expansion chamber, or palmer stab. I see you're not a fan of the latter. Lets say he wants to run on-gun. Looking at pbgear.com...

Anti-siphon - well, the cheapest they have is, what $55? Then the expansion chamber itself is $22. You know what, I'll play fair here, I'll say he buys the $22 12oz tank and gets the anti-siphon installed for another $15 elsewhere. This comes out to $59.

Cheapest HPA = $74


So that's a whopping $15 difference.

I'll be honest, I'd be questioning whether or not crazymex can exercise "reasonable prudence" with his CO2.

Especially since he seems to want to run CO2 with his macroline. That's trouble in the making already.


For $15 more, he can fire as fast as he can for an extended period of time while swinging upside down from a tree in the wintertime and not damage the mag. Well, actually, that's a bad example because his hopper wouldn't feed. But you get my drift.