Okay now I know why people hate these things...

[Chestercopperpot]

CPhillip, thanks for the fast response.

To answer your question. Yes it started doing this on its own. I was finishing my first tank and the marker started to act strange. I figured it was a low tank. But when I got my tank filled the problem continued. The worst thing I had done before this started to happen, was undo the feild strip screw. The valve didn't pop out (I didn't know to rotate the valve) so I pushed the valve back in and re tightened the screw. So unless that can mess this thing up, I hadn't done anything prior to the problems occuring.
Thanks again.

P.S. The gun was NOT gassed up when I undid the screw.

P.P.S. where do you guys play in Jersey? I'm going over to rex plex tomorrow anyway, so if you know the normal Ao hangout I might head there instead.

Mag Master: You should have seen my first post. It was a joke (sooooo long). The only reply I got was someone welcoming me to AO and asking me if he had just read the bible. lol.

[cphilip]

It is possible to bend the on off pin if you move the valve while there is pressure but... well lets just assume not for now. I can instruct you on how to inspect that later.

I suspect your only issue was needing to tweek the level 10 when that started. Or perhaps even lube the regulator pin assembly...But now lets get it back to where I instructed you.

Now its getting late so lets continue this tomorrow? I know its late in your neck of the woods too. But we are close to fixing this. I am also going to have you lube the Regulator Assembly so hang on to your hat! I am not abandoning you. We will get this fixed but lets start fresh in the morning ok?

Do the things I told you already and I will find this thread in the morning and we continue getting this thing fixed. Deal?

[Chestercopperpot]

Absolutely. Have a good nite. Thanx for the help.

[cphilip]

Same to ya bro! Its gonna be fixed! I can feel it!

[Digits]

I know this may sound dumb simple whatever..

But did you check to see if your rail bushing is still there? It may have fell out/off when you removed the field strip screw..

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Digits
I know this may sound dumb simple whatever..

But did you check to see if your rail bushing is still there? It may have fell out/off when you removed the field strip screw..

That normaly does not exhibit the symptoms he is describing. but it is a good thing to notice every once in a while. It will cause a no shoot situation. But normaly when it does not shoot it will not shoot at all. Until you losen the field strip screw and push the valve forward and retighten it. Then is shoots a few times and that backs the valve out and it quits again. And refuses to shoot. Thats the symptoms of a missing rail bushing. No leaks. Just shoot and then no shoot.

[Digits]

.. Ya ..

When I was missing my rail bushing (I couldn't figure out what was wrong either haha.. ) The only thing that happened was a major leak once i'd screw in the tank.. It was very annoying.. I'm just saying just in case lol.. I know I was pretty pissed after screwing with it for so long thinking it was the valve or something and finding out it was just a mesely rail bushing..

[cphilip]

Oh ask me how I know! This is a story you might enjoy. And it is my first ever Mag experience!

The first Mag I ever owned was used and it came to me without a rail bushing in it. Little did I know at the time.... And we puzzled over this thing for a while as to why it would shoot so well for a few shots and then all the sudden stop and refuse to shoot. We rebuilt it and everything and still it did this. Finaly I got a hold of another mag and looked into the rail and noticed the thing in there. Then I came here and looked hard at the parts list and noticed this thing listed there. I then took some thin aluminum flashing and made one! Bent it around the field strip screw and put it in there. And it fixed it! Now this was about October of 2000 and it was my first time ever visiting AO and AGD sites. And I did not ever post then. But in fact it was my first call ever to AGD and my first conversation with Jon to have him send me one! I used that home made one for a few weeks until Jon got one too me. I still have that home made rail bushing in my tool box as a matter of fact!

Very important piece that Rail Bushing.

[Digits]

Originally posted by cphilip
Oh ask me how I know! This is a story you might enjoy. And it is my first ever Mag experience!

The first Mag I ever owned was used and it came to me without a rail bushing in it. Little did I know at the time.... And we puzzled over this thing for a while as to why it would shoot so well for a few shots and then all the sudden stop and refuse to shoot. We rebuilt it and everything and still it did this. Finaly I got a hold of another mag and looked into the rail and noticed the thing in there. Then I came here and looked hard at the parts list and noticed this thing listed there. I then took some thin aluminum flashing and made one! Bent it around the field strip screw and put it in there. And it fixed it! Now this was about October of 2000 and it was my first time ever visiting AO and AGD sites. And I did not ever post then. But in fact it was my first call ever to AGD and my first conversation with Jon to have him send me one! I used that home made one for a few weeks until Jon got one too me. I still have that home made rail bushing in my tool box as a matter of fact!

Very important piece that Rail Bushing.

Ya it is very important.. Also frustrating if you loose it .. But ya my story is somewhat similar except mine just leaked.. But I did infact look EVERYWHERE for 'rail bushing' Every store in the city closest to me no one had anything.. So then I went to radio shack, And found some type of thing that looked somewhat like a rail bushing.. So it fit nicely in the rail, but the field strip screw would not go through it.. So we drilled through it untill it got thin enough for the field strip screw to go through.. I'm still using that piece BTW lol.. But soon I will have a proper piece with the RT-Pro I ordered .. The only other difference in my story is I don't think I really lost it.. I think somehow it got bent, and I tried to bend it back but it snapped apart lol..

[Mag Master 04]

OMG THE RARE ULTIMATE HOME MADE BUSHING...ILL TAKE IT FOR 1000 bucks, haha, that would suck though, hope it never happens to me

[Digits]

As long as you take care of it it prolly wont.. I can't even remember how I bent it the one way in the first place.. All I remember is snapping it trying to bend it back..

[Chestercopperpot]

I'm sorry last post for the nite. I swear.

Cphillip: God I hope AGD is giving you a salary. Sorry, but I'm outta air. Gonna have to continue this tomorrow evening, if thats okay with you...

Digits: trust me, Being that I don't even know what a rail bushing is or looks like, that is NOT a stupid post. If you get a chance can you describle what it looks like to me? thanks.

[Digits]

Basically.. Take out your field strip screw.. Now look in the rail the field strip screw fits into.. There should be a little round hollow piece that sits in there.. If its not in there it might be on your field strip screw (mine comes off with mine because its so loose).. But ya basically it sits inside of the rail in which you put the field strip screw threw.. And its just round, hollow, and rather thin..

Oh and it's probablly about 1-2cm long..

[cphilip]

OK Good morning!

YA if there is anything in that hole at all its the bushing.

I moving this on over to Tech for us to finish up....


Hold on to your hat!

[cphilip]

OK before we go any further and after you have returned everything to the point we discussed last night we are going to do one more thing just to eliminate it from being a possible problem.

We are going to lubricate the Regulator Pin Valve assembly.

This thing



You can see its location if you look closely at this:




Now this gismo is located in the back part of the Valve. It requires that we unscrew the back half of the valve from the front half to get to it. It might be very tight but it will unscrew. So do that by twisting the back part counter clockwise. When you get that loose you will see that the back half of this pin sticks into a hole in the rear most half of the valve. So when you reinstall it make sure you line that up as you put them back together.

Now once you have them apart you will find a brass looking piece laying over the pin in the rear of the front half. Remove that. Then you will find one white oring that needs to come out too. After that the pin will pull straight out. It might take a pair of plyers to get a hold of it but do not squeeze them too tight and crush the pin hole but pull that thing out.

When you get it out slather oil all over that pin assemblies rubber oring looking things and then reinstall it and push it in and out a few times.

then reinstall the oring and then the brass retainer. And carefully line the back half of the hole up as you return it to the front half. And screw it back together. Hand tight but tight.

Now your ready to go.

If you have not slathered oil onto the on off pin now is a good time to do that. Put some on it and work the on off in up and down in the assembly a few times till it feels like its moving fairly freely.


Now reassemble it all and lets try it.

Red Spring 2 spacers in it (you were using your 1.0 wich we will stay with for this point)
Double check that the white flat plastic backing washer is in the bottom of the power tube before you put the carrier back in.
ULT with 2-4 spacers in it.

Be prepared to turn up velocity now. Make sure you got air.

Report back to me whats going on.