New TAC-ONE Owner... Recommendations?

[bofh]

- How do the Armaggedon, Apocalypse and Dynaflow (etc) compare as to output pressure deviation (i.e. decay curve).
- Is this deviation, given the same regulator on different tank sizes, amplified for the larger tanks?
- Is there a rule of thumb that suggests... "for every xx psi increase at the regulator's output there is a corresponding yy fps increase from (in my case) the TAC-ONE"?

Relating to remotes...

- Is it ludicrous to consider a secondary reg (if one even exists in the 700-900 range) on a remote? (... or do I just create additional problems of greater proportions to the one I'm trying to fix?)

I don't know each of the regulators ratio, but it's often near 1:35 or so, which means that for every 35psi drop in supply, the output goes up 1psi, and the other way around. Palmer's satb is around 1:70.

A double reg will smooth that out a lot. since if your first reg drops 3500psi, (say from 4500 to 1000) it's output would go up 100psi, and the next reg's output would go down 3psi. (3psi isn't much compared to the 400+psi that goes to the mag's dump chamber)

Lucky for you. A mag has a built in reg. (the back bit with the velocity adjuster) So you already have two regulators.

Sleep easy, knowing that over the full span of a 4500psi tank, a mag's fps change due to reg creep should be less than 1% or under 3fps (3psi/400psi)

[JimInVA]

Sleep easy, knowing that over the full span of a 4500psi tank, a mag's fps change due to reg creep should be less than 1% or under 3fps (3psi/400psi)

Now that's what I call "jumping to the bottom line"... exactly what I needed. If I understand correctly, then I'm dealing with a difference of perhaps 3-6 fps (dependent upon tank and ending pressure) rather than the 10-25 I was concerned might be the case.

Thanks bofh!!

[bofh]

Now that's what I call "jumping to the bottom line"... exactly what I needed. If I understand correctly, then I'm dealing with a difference of perhaps 3-6 fps (dependent upon tank and ending pressure) rather than the 10-25 I was concerned might be the case.

Thanks bofh!!

Given that 1:35 is on the worse side for regs, you're looking at a MAX of 3fps change over the whole 4500psi fill.

That is, of course the numbers for reg ratio only. Other things will chage that number, perhaps from shot to shot.

[JimInVA]

If the field chrono limit is 280 and I know that I'll rise (say) 3 fps, then I'll chrono when going in at 276 or 277... knowing that I shouldn't exceed 280 coming off the field with a closer to empty tank. MUCH BETTER than my concern of having to start at 260.

[bofh]

If the field chrono limit is 280 and I know that I'll rise (say) 3 fps, then I'll chrono when going in at 276 or 277... knowing that I shouldn't exceed 280 coming off the field with a closer to empty tank. MUCH BETTER than my concern of having to start at 260.

Since the mag is double reg'ed, the fps will go down due to reg creep. So chrono as close to 280 as you can.

[JimInVA]

If I add that to my current "understanding" then this would be the summary...

1) Yes... the PSI output from an adjustable HPA (ie. 88/4500) WILL tend to creep upwards as the tanks volume/psi reduces.

2) The TAC-ONE's internal reg will creep in the OPPOSITE direction... and in essence will compensate for the tanks increase.

3) The relative "NET CHRONO'd FPS CHANGE" from full tank (4500) to near empty (1000) is minimal to none.

Sound correct?

Jim

[bofh]

If I add that to my current "understanding" then this would be the summary...

1) Yes... the PSI output from an adjustable HPA (ie. 88/4500) WILL tend to creep upwards as the tanks volume/psi reduces.

2) The TAC-ONE's internal reg will creep in the OPPOSITE direction... and in essence will compensate for the tanks increase.

3) The relative "NET CHRONO'd FPS CHANGE" from full tank (4500) to near empty (1000) is minimal to none.

Sound correct?

Jim

Ayup, all good.

[cabldawg]

ok, the way I understand this is, that you want to chrono as close to 280 as you can and not worry about getting a ref punch for a hot gun. which I think is great, but it is my understanding that a mag will ramp up during rapid fire 10 to 15 fps (correct me if I'm wrong) so you might want to consider that into your calcuations

[bofh]

ok, the way I understand this is, that you want to chrono as close to 280 as you can and not worry about getting a ref punch for a hot gun. which I think is great, but it is my understanding that a mag will ramp up during rapid fire 10 to 15 fps (correct me if I'm wrong) so you might want to consider that into your calcuations

Part of the proper chrono procedure for RT mags takes this into account. Chrono refs should be aware of this, hopefully.

[cabldawg]

most are not and I still have a hard time with it. that is why just keep mine around 260 to 265 that way I know I'm good

[JimInVA]

Included with the TAC-ONE is a chrono procedure which says...

To record your highest rapid fire velocity: Fire a paintball and hold the trigger back. Then release the trigger completely and fire the next paintball as quickly as possible, once again holding the trigger back. Repeat as necessary. This procedure will simulate rapid fire, thus recording your highest possible rapid fire velocity.

So... if I use that, I should be fine (I believe).

Jim

[cabldawg]

well at least if I ever get to play against you jim, I know I won't get shot by a hot gun. I'll be at shatner and throwdown maybe we'll get to meet

[JimInVA]

It's the "fair play and sportsmanship" of these events that make them so desireable to participate in. When we lose that, we've lost everything the game was intended to provide us.

My next game is later this month at Skyline Paintball in Strasburg, VA. Its a BlackCat scenario (this one's a 12-hour) game called Final Conflict.

Thanks again!

[bofh]

most are not and I still have a hard time with it. that is why just keep mine around 260 to 265 that way I know I'm good

If the ref doesn't know how to chrono, at least you should. It's kinda important that you know how to chrono your marker so it's safe.

[JimInVA]

Ready to help me decide on which adjustable reg? I seem to have narrowed the playing field to the Centerflag Dynaflow, the AA Armageddon or the AA Apocalypse2K. Something a little more than "I like my Dynaflow" or "Geddon's Rock!" would be appreciated. So what do you like and why?

Jim