new Tac-One... FIRST MAG!!!!!

[NigelF]

I've always admired automags, but until yesterday I never actually owned one. I got a brand-spankin' new Tac-One with the ULT installed from WWA. Currently I have some airlines I had laying around jury rigging the thing together, but later this week I'll hit the proshop and get everything together.

So far I ran one tank fill through it, about 400 rounds and some dry firing, in addition to some lost air getting the airlines correct.


At anyrate, when I gassed it up and took a few test fires, I was very dissapointed with the recharge rate. It felt like almost a full second before everythin reset and it could fire again. But I ran some more oil through the valve and it got better, still not great though. I did that one more time, and now its begining to recharge nicely :) But I'm out of air for now, so I'll have to continue the break in procedure later this week.


Can anyone give me any tips to expedite this process, or have an idea how long/how much paint I need to put through it before it'll level off?

So far, I'm very impressed with the consistency and the LVLX antichop bolt.


Nigel F

[gothsqwd]

It's not how much paint, it's how much oil. Oil it til the cows come home! And welcome to the family!

[NigelF]

Always call the dealer you bought it from first. Since they sold you the marker, they are the best to know exactly whats going on with it.

Good point, I may do that. I read up a little bit before I did anything other than admire it, and I came to the conclusion that oil was the missing factor. So far it seems to be working.


and goth, thanks for the advice...


Is there a point where you've put in too much? Aside from actually bathing the assembly of course. If not, I'll get a new tank fill and work 4 or 5 drops through at a time. Re-oiling after a hundred balls or so, or when I cease to see an improvement. If theres a thread that goes over all of this, and I just missed it, by all means direct me there instead of having to say it again (I did do a search before hand though).


Nigel F

[gothsqwd]

Generally just do like you said and add 3-5 drops at a time until the marker fires consistently. Then follow the instructions from the manual and put about 6 drops in the valve air fitting after every day of play. Just remember to take off the barrel when you run oil through or you'll have to give the barrel a cleaning to remove the oil buildup.

[purple]

mmkay, yall seem to have not messed with ULT's at all, oil doesnt help as much as adding shims to the ULT until it recharges right. I run 5 shims in mine and it recharges great. You may also consider getting the standard RT on/off, that never has a problem. also, make sure your front frame screw isnt too tight, and also, finger tight only on the quick strip bolt. a 1/4 turn with a wrench is okay, but you will get very wierd issues if you tighten that back screw too far. also, make sure you have more than 1000 psi before you start playing around(left in the tank) once it gets below 1000 it's not much fun

Purple

[NigelF]

mmkay, yall seem to have not messed with ULT's at all, oil doesnt help as much as adding shims to the ULT until it recharges right. I run 5 shims in mine and it recharges great. You may also consider getting the standard RT on/off, that never has a problem. also, make sure your front frame screw isnt too tight, and also, finger tight only on the quick strip bolt. a 1/4 turn with a wrench is okay, but you will get very wierd issues if you tighten that back screw too far. also, make sure you have more than 1000 psi before you start playing around(left in the tank) once it gets below 1000 it's not much fun

Purple

10-4, I'll try adding some shims, and I'll check the front frame screw as well. My quick strip screw is just finger tight already.

Nigel F

[NigelF]

I went ahead and dropped the stock on/off in today and hooked up a fresh tank. I shot through about 500 balls.... WOW

This thing rips pretty well. I may not mess around with the ULT on/off for quite awhile, because I can get this thing going alot faster than I really need to with the stock assembly.

I do however have a very slight leak down the barrel. I'm sure its a problem thats been covered in a LX thread somewhere, so I'll start searching after dinner.



Thanks again guys!!
Nigel

[jewie27]

go one size down on your level 10 carrier and i gurantee your leak will disappear. The more you shoot the more the o-ring breaks in. Keep using the same o-ring but smaller carrier.

[NigelF]

go one size down on your level 10 carrier and i gurantee your leak will disappear. The more you shoot the more the o-ring breaks in. Keep using the same o-ring but smaller carrier.

10-4

[Chronobreak]

Always call the dealer you bought it from first. Since they sold you the marker, they are the best to know exactly whats going on with it.

or you coul try and help the guy..

or get ahold of me

im WWA's secretary

oil and dryfire a while to break the valve in.

also more shims will help as well as what has been said alread.

if you have anymore problems LMK you wil be taken care of

[NigelF]

or you coul try and help the guy..

or get ahold of me

im WWA's secretary

oil and dryfire a while to break the valve in.

also more shims will help as well as what has been said alread.

if you have anymore problems LMK you wil be taken care of

Ah, good to know you're around here

I think I'm going to run the stock on/off for the time being. I really like the reactivity, and I bounced around the ethereal "sweet spot" a few times, and WOW. But I may tinker around with the ULT kit down the road when I get a little more comfortable with the valve and bolt assembly. Sure beats the heck outta my old lunch-money .68 carbine. Just cant sell that thing though, too much nostalgia and good karma in it :)


Nigel F

[NigelF]

Lets not get into this here guys. White Wolf did not refer me to AO. I found my own way here, and I posted the question because I'm a DIY kind of guy, and the population here strikes me as mature and helpful. I'm sure if I had called WWA I would have been helped. Joe White exchanged 3 or 4 emails with me right after I placed my order, all within the span of 30 minutes to an hour.


Rogue was just trying to stear me onto the safest route to make sure I wasnt left hanging with a dead mag. I'm a mag noob, and he doesnt know anything about my technical, or paintball experience, so he gave the safest piece of tech advice he could, and the most sensible from the point of view of a buisness owner.


Point being, my mag works, I got to tinker around with it, and I'm happy.


Nigel F

[NigelF]

I ran some more paint through it today, and the leak was in fact gone, however, now I find I'm chopping balls when I start going faster. I'm out of air for now, but tomorrow at the field I'm going to mess around with the red spring. If that doesnt work I'll just have to take it easy for now.


Nigel F

[purple]

if you're chopping balls at speed

1. check to make sure your bolt bumper isnt shredded

2. if not 1., step up to the next longer spring

3. if you realy feel like it, do the level 10 o ring change, but i doubt this is the problem. if you get leaks down the barrel that wont go away (they are coming, believe me) then you just line all your carriers up, pull the bolt out, put the o ring in the smallest, oil it, and slide it onto small shaft that sticks out the back of the bolt. if it wont go on, dont force it, change the o ring to the next larger carrier. you'll find that one or two will start to fit well, you want some friction, but not too much, or you'll need more air pressure to get your bolt moving. not too little, or you'll get leaks real soon again. refer to the lvlx tuning sticky for more info.

have fun, i found that going up a bolt spring solves all hi speed chop issues (emags just love going fast)


Purple

[NigelF]

Thanks Purple, thats the train of thought I was going down, good to have someone legitamize it. I have the next spring up in right now (red), but I'm out of air for now, so I cant test it out and play with the velocity. Tomorrow I'll be at a field, so I'll have air and a chrono. I should be able to get it dialed in... I hope. And if not, I'll just resist the temptation to open it up. I rarely use more than half a hopper per game anyway, so it shouldnt be too big of a deal.



Nigel F