pro classic

[NoForts4Me]

I've tried CO2 horizontally mounted with an ANS expansion chamber...froze the valve after about 10-25 shots...or 9 real fast. Some people say they use an anti-siphon and a remote coil and that works good...especially if you add the expansion chamber into the mix. I think the manual off of the AGD website recommends HPA. I thought it said "not" to use an anti-siphon when I read it...I'll have to check again.

I've been wrestling with the same question you are regarding taks to buy. I've heard that getting 850-1000psi into the valve makes it work best with the most responsive trigger. However, most preset tanks seem to be set at 750-850psi output. I heard Crossfire, Nitro Duck, and Centerflag make good tanks...but I don't think any of them make presets that push >850psi... Some people have talked about adjustable outputs...but those run $400-$500 and I don't even know if you can set them that high...I'm not even sure at that pressure if it would be safe in a macroline or microline or steel braided hose.

I'll keep looking around, maybe get some feedback here...see what happens.

The Classic/Minimag manual says "DO NOT USE A SIPHON TANK WITH YOUR PAINTBALL MARKER!!!" and recommends anti-siphon. If you use a coil remote, do NOT use anti-siphon if you are running your tank verticle...it will then act as a siphon and pull liquid from the tank. On Classic valves, I don't know that any pressure over 850 would make much of a difference...it definately won't get you a more "responsive" trigger like the R/T, X-Valve will.

[onedude36]

btw you can get adjustable tanks for a little over 150.

EDIT: when they are in the B/S/T

[wilsg]

soo what barrel threads does it take?

[Scott Hudnall]

classic automag twist lock barrel "threads".

BTW, the photo by NoForts4me is the most classic way to run a 'mag on CO2, unless you are running remote. His set up looks optimal. If you are going to run CO2, try to copy that sest up.

[spectre184]

Nice thing about mags is you can set hoses up however you want. It's all matter of personal preference. What may work for someone else maybe not your cup of tea.

Here is how mine is set up. Tank is 88/45 centerline 800psi out.



As Hudnall mentioned if your going to run CO2 that is best setup. I'm sure you can find parts here in BST forums cheap

[wilsg]

do they make expansion chambers that look like the foregrip? i love how the foregrip looks and i dont want to get rid of it! if not what is the best expansion chamber for the price?

[ottomobile]

Go to www.palmers-pursuit.com and read the FAQ's about automags. The Pro-classic can cycle just fine at 9 rounds a second (realistically faster than you'll ever need) on CO2. The valve and regulator seals will be just fine.

From a physics standpoint don't get an expansion chamber. They are a waste of money and do more to cause velocity inconsistencies than anything else. What you really need is a high pressure regulator like a Palmer Stabilizer or an AKA Sidewinder. These were designed to run on CO2. They will stop liquid from entering the gun even during rapid fire and eliminate velocity spikes. what they won't do (and nothing can fix this as its an inherent property of CO2) is fix shoot down. Under rapid fire the tank pressure momentarily drops as CO2 takes time to convert from liquid to gas. But if you shoot 3 or 4 straight high speed bursts, stop for a second and shoot another string you'll be fine.

So I would recommend getting a pro-classic with a dual regulator setup from Palmer and an anit-siphon tank tuned for your marker.



And just so you know, Palmer practically invented gavity feed and autococking semi's.

Hope this helps.

[NoForts4Me]

Well, I'm not sure about expansion chambers causing "velocity inconsistencies" since my mag has been very consistent with the expansion chamber. However, I do have a Palmer Stab that I am going to replace the expansion chamber with. The x-chamber came with the gun and works fine, but since I put a ULT in the valve, I want to limit the possibility of getting liquid in the valve, as the ULT gets picky when rapid firing long strings on CO2. It may not help, but I'm going to try it. Plus, that huge expansion chamber is just ugly !