ya pumpmags r damn expesive. the cheapest one i saw on a search was 350 and it was just ok looking and didnt have much stuff upgraded.
but ya ill PM you about that explanation
but ya ill PM you about that explanation
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If your mates like to shoot paint by volume, all you gotta do is ask them to look in their closet and I will bet they have an old broken autococker in there.
Everyone who has been playing paintball for at least 5 years has a broken autococker.
Figure out what year it is and goto www.chipleymachine.com, order yourself a pump kit.
Think thats the cheapest way to go, and those pump kits are very smooth. I put a dye pump together and its the bomb!Comment
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First off there are basically 2 schools of thought when it comes to playing pump, stock class and non- stock class. The major difference being stock class uses 12g CO2 to power the gun, tubes to reload, and are "rock and cock" (you have to tip the gun to get the next ball to load). Auto-trigger is not allowed
A non-stock class gun can use a regular hopper, whatever tank you want, and can have an auto-trigger (if you hold the trigger down and cycle the pump, it will shoot a ball)
While I will agree that Phantoms and Snipers are really good pumps, you don't even need to spend that much. I have a Tippmann sl-68 that is probably 15 years old. It used to be a rental gun so it was used quite a bit. All I needed to do was replace one o-ring and ir shoots just fine. I paid $20 plus $3 for an o-ring kit.
You should look on Mcarterbrown, or stockclass paintball forums for good used guns. Both communities are very helpfull
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Phantoms are actually outstripping snipers in terms of parts availability. That is to say, the phantom is still in production, where the sniper is not. Then again, the only thing that is getting slightly harder to find for the cocker is a pump kit.
Personally i love the phantom. Most people opt for the stock barrel and a detent ring kit, however i find them too easy to lose. If you dont lose them they work great though. Plus they can be set up in nearly every configuration you can think of: Hopper right, left, or center... 15 or 12 round tube right, left, or center. Bulk tank on a drop or backbottle, 12 grams hawaiian style, vertical, as a changer on a backbottle, or with a dropout valve body. Pretty much anything goes.
That is disturbingly true...Everyone who has been playing paintball for at least 5 years has a broken autococker."The Fine Print: Discontinue use if your eyeballs suddenly get way smaller."Comment
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Ya know, if you're looking into getting a pump, you should take a look at the Tippmann C3.
I know this is gonna sound weird - id did to me at first, too - but it runs on propane.
Apparently, propane shoots as smoothly and consistently at HPA, isnt affected by temperature, and -this sound too good to be true- gets 50,000 shots per tank.
They run off the little 16oz propane tanks you buy at X-mart, which cost about $5.
They run for about $200 at Action Village
You can also get more info about it on the Tippmann ForumGood traders: CaPoEiRa, KamikazeChiKenz, bundy09, Tunaman, MajorDamage, hardr0ck68
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from what I have heard, the pump stroke is very long on those.Originally posted by xtreme paintballComment
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ya my friends defiantley dont have any extra autocockers in their closets unfortunatley. but ya how much would i expect to pay for one like you described (maybe a little something broken or the body beat to hell) like 50 or 60 or less?Comment
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Here is my experience with all kinds of pumps. Unfortunately I haven't used a Phantom yet, but I have used many other similar designed pumps (Line SI Bushy, Hammer, Derringer Mach II, Bladerunner, Outlaw 2). I currently own a pump Mag and I love it. My brother has owned two Sniper 2's and they are absolutely amazing pumps. Here are some factors to keep in mind. I love my pump Mag, but if I ever sold it I would get a Sniper 2. With the right valve, springs, and components, you can get a nice low pressure Sniper that runs on CO2 and has some of the best trajectory that I have ever seen. The downfall to both the P-Mag and the Sniper 2 is your rate of fire. If you want to have the ability to shoot a bunch quickly, you will not be able to do this without an auto-trigger. Most pumps, like a Phantom, are capable of this where you just hold down the trigger and keep pumping. The P-Mag cannot do this, but an auto-trigger kit can be added to a Sniper 2 so it is capable of doing this.
Phantoms are great guns and thanks to Punisher and others who make custom parts for them, you can set them up in numerous different fasions. The Sniper 2 can and will accept all Autococker parts/pieces. So, if you want a different trigger frame, place, springs, valve, back block, barrel, bolt, bidy, hammer, rods, detent, etc. you can get them no problem. The Phantom is easily made into a stock class gun, where the Sniper 2 would require a special removeable feed system.
Still yet, the P-Mag is a classic and if you are a Mag man, then you will appreciate it and enjoy it. It is easier to pump than any other pump gun on the market (with the exception of a Sniper SHO and a Sniper with aftermarket springs). However, as you have seen, they are expensive, but you can find the parts you need to build your own P-Mag.
An older RF Cocker can be purchased for around $100 or less. Then all you have to do is find a pump kit that will work on it for around $30 - $60. You could practically build a Sniper 2 for under $175 (and possibly under $150).
It all comes down to preference and what you are comfortable with. I have stuck with the P-Mag because all the guns I own are Mags. I can play pump, mech, or electric with my Mags, so I can now fit in every style of play that could potentially come my way and still flaunt a Mag in every case
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It all depends what is available since we are talking about people selling off their personal items. Right now there are a couple of really nice Phantoms and others for $150 or less and some snipers at www.mcarterbrown.com under the Buying/Selling rare- old guns section. If that's still out of your price range, pm me and I might be willing to part with one of my pumps (I do have 3 after all)Originally posted by pablo4429
You aren't really firing fast enough for it to matter. In fact I believe CO2 is actually a better propellant, but these guns were desinged to run off of it.Originally posted by pablo4429
As for the whole accurancy thing, no gun is inheriently more accurate than any other. Period. The myth that pumps are more accurate come from the fact that most pump players are much more selective in their shot choice since they pretty much only have one shot until they need to load another ball.Comment
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i kinda want a stock sniper so i can modify it myself and so i can learn how it operates better.
but thats a ton for all the info guys it has helped a tonComment
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One thing since you are looking the Sniper route, there is a difference between the pre-2000 bodies and the later ones. Unless you want to experiment with springs, you'l need a regulator to run a post 2K while a pre-2K can run CO2 direct without one.
If you end up building one, White Wolf Airsmithing, Chipley Custom Machines, and WGP make off the shelf pump kits for converting.Comment
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oh thanks for that bit of knolwedge since i probly will be using a pre 2000 that saved me alil bit of moneComment
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that goes for running off CO2 only. If you are using HPA you'll need a reg on there.
Personally I love the look of a sniper with a 12g bucket changer as a foregrip.Comment
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ya im gonna use a 3.5 oz tank cuz 12grams just look like a pain and i wont be playing tournys or anything just rec so ya i wanna have a lil time before each refill. what do you get like 250 shots off one???Comment
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I get an avrage of 600 on my triad witha 8oz of Co2.Comment
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