CO2 in a Tac One - Thoughts?

[chinstrap]

I recently decided to join the ranks of Mag owners after having been enamored with the looks of the AGD Tac One (not because of the Longbow) and impressed with the mechanics of Automags in general for some time. The problem is that I don't have HPA regularly available to me since I don't really play at fields (that, and for versatility's sake in general).

So I did some research and now have a 68 A.I.R. Valve with Level 10 bolt and a Palmer's sideline stabilizer on the way (thanks MadMarx and kicker) to replace the X-valve found in the Tac One when I eventually get one.

Have I missed anything?

I would also like to avoid doing the anti-siphon thing with a CO2 tank, since that detracts from the simplicity and versatility aspects.

Also, I wouldn't mind some opinions from people on what I should do regarding the actual marker itself. I haven't seen many reasonably priced used Tac Ones for sale and when I do, it's always by someone who wants to stick to some shady sale arrangements (ie: some random who won't do a third-party through Palmer's or whatever).

So I'm entertaining the idea of just ordering a Tac One from Tunaman and selling the X-valve. If so, about how much does a "used" X-valve with Level 10 sell for?

I appreciate any input anyone might have. Thanks.

[egb groupie]

So I'm entertaining the idea of just ordering a Tac One from Tunaman and selling the X-valve. If so, about how much does a "used" X-valve with Level 10 sell for?

I appreciate any input anyone might have. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Low end for an xvalve would be around $180ish if you want it to move quick, high end $220-225 if you want your moneys worth. This is of course assuming you just took it out of a brand new tac one and selling it as is.

[chinstrap]

This is of course assuming you just took it out of a brand new tac one and selling it as is.

Yep, that's what I'd be doing.

Anybody else?

[Coralis]

might be cheaper to buy just parts you need .... the tac one body and rail ... just a thought

[sTaLa]

Yep, Airgun will probably credit you the Classic Body if you ask them to put the Tac One body instead... and Tunaman might to the same if you ask him.

[d4m4don3]

If I were you I'd just keep the x-valve. I have both for my RT Custome ULE. I use the air valve whenever I know I won't have access to compressed air. The x-valve's rate of fire is so much faster and if you have compressed air available make use of it.

[chinstrap]

I did originally talk to Tunaman and after all was said and done (Tac-One with Classic Valve, Level 10, air fittings, ASA, shipping and then my ordering a new Sideline Stabilizer and installing it myself) it would have run around $550.

That was a wee bit out of my price range, so I looked around here on AO and picked up some used parts (68 A.I.R. Valve with Level 10 and a Sideline Stabilizer). If I just order a full Tac-One and just sell the X-Valve for $200, it'll end up having cost $410 for the whole thing. Besides, I think it would be more fun to assemble the abomination myself than to just buy it ready-to-go.

Something else I was considering is just carrying these with me when in the woods so I wouldn't have to worry about running out of air if I were to stick with the X-valve. Problem is that I already have the other stuff on the way and I'm really trying to keep the price down; it would be $650 on top of what I've already spent to do that (of course, I could always just stick the parts I ordered back on the market when they get here).

Ugh...decisions...

Rate of fire isn't really an issue either since I tend to take my time and shoot rather slowly.

I would ideally like to run HPA, it's just not very practical until I man up and get a scuba tank and fill station (has anyone ever carried one of these around on their back and just skipped the air tank?).

As for assembling it completely from parts, that would put the expenses WAY over the top as I need a double trigger (I've got big hands) and to my knowledge, the only double trigger available is the Intelliframe. Plus, I never see any used Tac One bodies or rails for sale. So for a new body and trigger frame alone, that's over $300.

[MANN]

for double triggers You can choose between
I-frame
chinerma vert frame(sp)
logic frame
y frame- my favorite
z frame
benchmark
dye
they are all double trigger frames. I am sure that I missed some

IMO you are better off just getting a scuba tank and using hpa. If you use co2 the level 10 bolt will not work in cold weather (or sometimes at high rates of fire). I used a ans phase 2 expansion chamber, and remote line with my co2, and my gun would always freeze up if we played at temps lower than 45ish. Everyone will tell you that co2 works in a classic, however I found its easier to just use hpa to get the highest performance out of agd products

You can get a scuba tank with fill adaptor for @200 new. then all you have to get is a small hpa tank, and you can keep refilling it. scuba tanks only cost @ 4 dollars to fill so it will save you money on filling your paintball hpa tank.

[Earthy]

Just a thought about the sideline stabilizer.... are you using a gas through front grip, or hooking the line from the tank to the stabilizer? If you're using a front grip you might consider getting a vertical (male) stabilizer and use it as your front grip instead. This means running 2 lins one from tank to stabe and one from asa adapter to valve. This is what I did on my mag when it had an AIR valve. I found that it lessened the front-on profile ( I didn't care for the stabe sticking off the side), and if you ever decide to sell the stabilizer there seems to be more demand for the vertical vs the sideline.

Choice is yours and the stabilizer is great either way, just thought I'd put the idea out there.

[personman]

Try and see if Tunaman will sell you a tac one without an xvalve.. Its worth a shot :)
Your mag should shoot co2 fine with a sideline stabilizer. An anti siphon tank would be added security but if you dont want to, I'm sure it will shoot fine without it. Mags have been running off co2 for over 15 years now, I doubt yours is going to have a problem with it.

[chinstrap]

for double triggers You can choose between
I-frame
chinerma vert frame(sp)
logic frame
y frame- my favorite
z frame
benchmark
dye
they are all double trigger frames. I am sure that I missed some

Are any of these grip/trigger frames just straight trigger frames? Or are they all electronic (ie: do more than just house the sear and trigger assembly)? And can you get any of them for around $50?

I think I'm just going to stick to my original plan of running CO2 for the time being until I can put together a scuba tank and fill station. Everyone around me runs CO2, so even if I did the HPA for those cold winter days, I'd still have nobody to play with
I've got to convert some people first.

Earthy: I already have the Sideline on the way and for about half the cash of a male stab (which is probably an indicator of resale values for Sidelines that you mentioned).

personman: Thanks. I will check with Tuna when the mailman drops off all my pieces (I've decided I'm not going to go forward until I know exactly what I have to work with).

[MANN]

All of those are mechanical frames.
your electric frames are
emag/xmag frame
devil mag frame
spydermag frame
hyper frame

I have one of benchmark and one dye pm me for more info. (they are less than 50)
Its hard to get people to convert to hpa, but most usually jump after they see the advantages.

[chinstrap]

So I got my Tac One today and after looking it over and inspecting it, I have a question.

I noticed how the the gas-through foregrip has a hole going in, a hole going out and nothing in the middle.

Is there going to be a problem with having CO2 running around freely in there? I ran a search looking for related threads, but couldn't find a definitive answer to my question.

I originally thought it just had the line running up through it, but apparently it's a vertical ASA. That's a bonus though, since I'll be able to run it on 12-grams too.

Much obliged to anyone who can help me out.

As a side note: with the classic valve and Palmer's Sideline, the marker balances perfectly on my index knuckle and the joint where my thumb meets my hand. It pulls my hand just enough to the right so the marker is pointed straight ahead by default (I've always had a bad habit of letting it tilt inwards slightly) making for one hell of a shooting platform. I'm really looking forward to getting it up and running.

Thanks in advance.

[cyrus-the-virus]

So I got my Tac One today and after looking it over and inspecting it, I have a question.

I noticed how the the gas-through foregrip has a hole going in, a hole going out and nothing in the middle.

Is there going to be a problem with having CO2 running around freely in there? I ran a search looking for related threads, but couldn't find a definitive answer to my question.

I originally thought it just had the line running up through it, but apparently it's a vertical ASA. That's a bonus though, since I'll be able to run it on 12-grams too.

Much obliged to anyone who can help me out.

As a side note: with the classic valve and Palmer's Sideline, the marker balances perfectly on my index knuckle and the joint where my thumb meets my hand. It pulls my hand just enough to the right so the marker is pointed straight ahead by default (I've always had a bad habit of letting it tilt inwards slightly) making for one hell of a shooting platform. I'm really looking forward to getting it up and running.

Thanks in advance.

Sounds good. If you ever decide to sell that sidline give me a PM

Your not the only one who has to limit themselfs to CO2....

[personman]

So I got my Tac One today and after looking it over and inspecting it, I have a question.

I noticed how the the gas-through foregrip has a hole going in, a hole going out and nothing in the middle.

Is there going to be a problem with having CO2 running around freely in there? I ran a search looking for related threads, but couldn't find a definitive answer to my question.

If you're describing what I think you're describing, then the answer is no, in fact it will be good. The more room you can give the co2 to expand from a liquid to a gas before it gets to your valve, the better. Thats why remotes are so effective at keeping co2 out of your gun (and the fact that most remote setups have the tank vertical and no liquid gets out) and thats also why they designed expansion chambers. But a gas through isnt going to do a whole lot to help. It wont hurt though.