The "What the hell is this" Valve

[PumpMag]

I agree. This was not meant to be.

Having a lighter Mag is good. But if this compromises safety, do you really want to risk it?

That's why the X-valve exists.

[Tao]

It is good for extra parts which would go for $$ if they failed

Such as on/off pins, the regulator springs. You have an extra bolt if one of yours breaks in half

[Don Carnage]

I would retire that valve as soon as possible. It isnt safe any longer.

Yea...but first stick it on a grinder to make sure it's not one of those titanium valves first.

[ajnin]

Yea...but first stick it on a grinder to make sure it's not one of those titanium valves first.

hahahhahahahahahahahahhaahha


wouldnt that be ironic.

[Shane-O-Mac]

I would retire that valve as soon as possible. It isnt safe any longer.

Well it isnt totally UNSAFE either. With the Stainless Steel thumbe screws, it isnt very likely to break, and send the valve into your face. It is possible I will admit, but, I have used an X-Valve with out a z-lock pin for almost 3 years, over 25 cases of paint, and no problems. Now I am not saying it is pefectly safe, but if your knowledgable enough it is realatively safe. The most unsafe part about it, IMO, is how the reg back can unscrew with vibration, and raise velocity. I used a drop or 2 of blue locktite and havent had a problem yet. But if your the least bit worried about it, please dont use that valve.

A 350 Chevy wasn't designed to put out or handle over 1000hp, but it can be done and safely, with the right knowledge.........

[mostpeople]

Well it isnt totally UNSAFE either. With the Stainless Steel thumbe screws, it isnt very likely to break, and send the valve into your face. It is possible I will admit, but, I have used an X-Valve with out a z-lock pin for almost 3 years, over 25 cases of paint, and no problems. Now I am not saying it is pefectly safe, but if your knowledgable enough it is realatively safe. The most unsafe part about it, IMO, is how the reg back can unscrew with vibration, and raise velocity. I used a drop or 2 of blue locktite and havent had a problem yet. But if your the least bit worried about it, please dont use that valve.

A 350 Chevy wasn't designed to put out or handle over 1000hp, but it can be done and safely, with the right knowledge.........

the walls are thinner, therefore it could explode.. im not even worrying about popping back in your face.

[Shane-O-Mac]

the walls are thinner, therefore it could explode.. im not even worrying about popping back in your face.

The part of the valve thats milled in the above pic, isnt a pressurized area, therefore it is safe to mill down. The saftey issue is about no z-lock pin, if the rear thumbscrew snapped, the valve could potentially fly back into your face. I beleive that it did happen early on. But I havent seen it happen myself, not saying it couldnt happen, but it would take alot to snap the rear thumbscrew, IMO.

[Thotograph]

Hey Shane it does recieve air pressure, what do you think the reg piston is? Why would there need to be an oring sealing the piston off if it wasn't pressurized. Not exactly good advice you are giving there, and you're really pushing it when you wanna go ahead and discredit one of the top AGD dealers on AO. When Tuna says it's time to retire it, it's time to retire it... at least the back half of the valve.

Dude I've got an empty back half that I'll gladly donate to you if you want to use that valve ever. I know you've been using a Retro valve b/c lol I sold it to you so I know it isn't crucial that this classic valve be operational, but I'd like for you to have a backup just in case you run into a situation where co2 is all that's available or something. I'd say just in case the retro valve fails but uhh yeah that doesn't really happen much. Gotta love AGD. Let me know if you want it and I'll send it one way or another... glad to hear you are liking your new setup. Peace.

[nmib]

Retire that valve, or get a new back end for it, because as it is now it is NOT SAFE.

it has been, since tunaman said so.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Hey Shane it does recieve air pressure, what do you think the reg piston is? Why would there need to be an oring sealing the piston off if it wasn't pressurized. Not exactly good advice you are giving there, and you're really pushing it when you wanna go ahead and discredit one of the top AGD dealers on AO. When Tuna says it's time to retire it, it's time to retire it... at least the back half of the valve.

Dude I've got an empty back half that I'll gladly donate to you if you want to use that valve ever. I know you've been using a Retro valve b/c lol I sold it to you so I know it isn't crucial that this classic valve be operational, but I'd like for you to have a backup just in case you run into a situation where co2 is all that's available or something. I'd say just in case the retro valve fails but uhh yeah that doesn't really happen much. Gotta love AGD. Let me know if you want it and I'll send it one way or another... glad to hear you are liking your new setup. Peace.

Ok a few things here...........

1: Yes a SMALL portion of the back half is pressurized, I should have been a lil more clear about that. The portions of the back half that you can mill, is NOT pressurized. The piston only moves a tiny bit. The pressurized part (Classic Valve) is in the middle of the body threads that go into the front half, not the back 90% of the body, basicly where (you cannot mill it for o-rings and sealing). If you want to argue about the saftey of milling it that way, then look at Air America Violator, Uni-Reg, Raptor, and Raptor Rex. The Raptor rex is an adjustable tank reg, that regulates 4500 psi down to 500-1200psi. That reg is milled just like the one in the first pic, and internally identical to an AGD air valve with the seat and reg pin being different, for higher input pressures. AA even used AGD pistons and retuned the overpressure relief setting to work with HPA. So it is SAFE for full pressure. Heck the Aluminum Black Ice reg is the same, but made of aluminum, and it is safe to at least 1800 psi input, AA had an air system that used a unreged tank with a SS hardline going to a secondary Black Ice, working as a tank reg. Think about it..........................

2: I did not discredit Tuna, read carefully, I posted it was safe for pressurization, but that the saftey issue is with the field strip bolt possibly snapping and letting the valve fly backwards into your face. Email or PM Tuna and ask him exactly why it is unsafe, he didnt specify. Yes Tunaman knows his stuff, and so do I when it comes to regulators (Especially AA regs, which was based off the Air Valve design). But because he's a dealer, and you dont know who I am, you assume that Tuna is right and I am not, when in fact we BOTH are right...................

Just a little intro about me, been playing since 93, teched for AA for 3 years, and teched many, many guns and air systems at my local field for 10 years or so, Then I retired from doing the tourney scene, and just play for fun now. If it is a regulator question, I am very knowledgeable about that subject.


Shane-O