Cocker/Mag Hybrid

[luke]

Originally posted by the electrician
if you are using the ram as double acting, like on a cocker, then you need to use a 4-way, like on a cocker. but I've found that for pneumatic sear control for a mag, you really only need a single acting ram, and a 3-way.

Can you explain the mechanics of the 4-way and also the 3-way with the single acting ram??

In regard to operating pressure, you say the lower the better, would that be lower than 100 psi?

[the electrician]

a 4-way has two outputs one normally open and one normally closed. so the supply (input) is going to one side of the ram, holding it position. when the valve is actuated, the input is redirected to the other output, applying air to the other side of the ram. the other input(the normally open) is closed off from the input and is opened to exhaust it's air. you must be able to exhaust the air from oe side of the ram to fill the other. when the valve returns to normal position, the normally closed output goes back to being closed off to the input and is opened to it's exhaust. so you have 1 input, 2 outputs, and atleast 1 exhaust port, and in many cases 2.
so that's why it's called a 4-way. many are 5 port 4-ways(the 2 exhausts)

a 3-way valve has only one output. so it has either a normally closed or normally open output, depending on how it is hooked up, and an input and exhaust.
1 input, 1 output, and one exhaust. this makes it a 3-valve.

most things pneumatic can be explained on the clippard website: clippard.com
go to this download page:http://www.clippard.com/downloads/?s...\PDF_Documents

yes you want to use a regulator to get the pressure down below 100 psi. palmer reg are about the best to use to get 800 psi input down below 100psi.

[luke]

Thanks.

[Chojin Man]

smart parts

Sorry to bring up the whole SP subject again, but I don't see how it would be possible for them to patent the electro technology. Does anyone know any links to info on this subject. I would like to learn more about this.

[jewie27]

why would you want one of those leaky 3-ways and hoses hanging out all over the place. Just get a X-valve and ULE Trigger; problem solved. No need for a dumb swing trigger when you can have a simple ULE trigger. (not even a trigger)

[ZyperioN]

yeah but then again....this would be cooler lol. for us tinkerers who have the time, it's more about making something amazing with our own work and ingenuity, any idiot can put an xvalve and ult in, but wheres the fun in doing that

[the electrician]

actually cockers use 4-ways, and no I use an actual 3-way. a micro 3-way clippard part #SMAV-3.

no leaking. it's a hell of alot cheaper than your suggestion.

besides, people can make whatever they want. if you don't want to, then don't, just stay out of the workshop forum.

[MojojojoAF]

Hello, I am a longtime cocker owner (I know I know I know), anyways several things have struck me about the mag that I like. One of which is the ability to shoot fast and not chop (enter the lvl10). However, I just read this thread because I had been thinking of the the same thing as far as a pnuematically assisted trigger system. Which is totally possible with mags, but quite unlikely with a cocker.

My real quesitons is, if Nicad had been working on something that was 2-3oz pull and .5mm in length, I am sorry for not under standing how you could not rip it? that is an incredibly light and small trigger pull, even for an electro.

Also is the ULT kit and Xvalve so good that as someone said before just put them in and problem solved? I have seen some pretty good trigger setups in Mags, so give me a good breakdown between the two.

Thanks guys and this is my first post @ Automags.org, I should have my first mag in a month or sooner.

[nicad]

An Xvalve with ULT in it is a nice mechanical.. but still very much no mistaking its mechanical. the ULT does not shorten the trigger pull, but it lowers the pull weight down to around 16oz i think??

you can put a cocker/Clippard/etc 3way in a mag frame and make a nice trigger pull as well.

What iv done is developed a hybrid 3-way specifically for this application and yes it is 2oz pull weight and ~.004" travel (thats 0.1mm). Most electro triggers, even some "tuned" ones, have a longer/harder pull. When you say "rip".. you mean shoot fast? cause it does.. and with little effort. I can "two-finger-tap" the trigger up to around 14-15bps.

I havent been saying too much about the project due to some protection processes and some coming work that ill be doing with some companies with it in the near future... and im not just blowing smoke here either.

out!

ps- welcome MojojojoAF to AO...

[ZyperioN]

yeah blowing smoke would be unhealthy

[MojojojoAF]

Sweet

Thanks guys for the welcome, also thanks Nicad for the info. With all the bull flying aounrd with Smart Parts lawsuit I am very interested in moving away from an Elctro all together and staying mechanical.

I see that the stock pull on an intelliframe is not overly long, and I have been reading on the sear mod that would shorten the pull a bit more, I like that.

Well, as soon as I get my mag I will be a happy man. In the mean time this is what I play with now.

[Mateo]

Not to seem rude, welcome to AO and all, but umm...theres a forum called Friendly Corner.

[AGDlover]

Originally posted by Willystyle21
And this one

lissen good now a HP gun with a LP reg should not be done. heres whats going to happen A: ur going to put a LP tank on it and strave your gun for air and not have a good refill time therefore messing up your gun complety or B you put a HP tank and destroy the LPR

[kapaintballman]

hey, I am going to do this mod. I know pretty much how im going to do it(preety much just how your did), but im not sure how to get the 3-way in the trigger frame (intelliframe) and not have it in the way of the ram's rod that goes up to the sear. of course, when i was seeing if the 3-way would fit in the trigger frame, i was using a stock cocker 3-way. I am planning on using a shocktech bomb 3-way for the actual project. is the bomb 3-way any smaller than the stock cocker 3-way?

[cledford]

Any suggestions for the ram? I'd like to try one of these and wouldn't mind any advice that is offered.

-Calvin