after 10 min in math class i made...

[ANGEL LCD]

here is what i came up with...i think it will work and this is how it works

1. air comes from reg to the solenoid and to the valve
2. bolt spins around to let ball come down, then bolt moves forward to seal off from feedneck
3. ram and valve are held in sleve
4. motor spins bolt around


ok so here how it works when you pull the trigger the board sends a signal to the solenoid to let air push on the ram so the ram goes forward and hits valve to let air push the ball down the barrel, after that happens the solenoid pushes the ram back for another shot and the bolt lets another ball in and gets it ready to fire.

and if you would like to help me with getting picks up plz pm me and i will send you the pics because for some reason i cant get the pics to load onto the site

[Rokudon]

uhhhhhhhhhh...... u need to be abit clearer on this, its a little confusing. but as a comment, why would you need a spinning bolt that moves forward and back? operation looks ok, but i'm still fuzy on components and how they work/their purpose...

[ANGEL LCD]

the bolt doesnt move back and forth it is shaped like a circle so it eliminates the need to move back and forth if i could get pics up it might be a lil less confusing

[Magaman]

Send me the pics, I should be able to get them up for you...

email [email protected]

[ANGEL LCD]

getting ready to send the pics right now

[Magaman]

Here you go...Picture...

[Rokudon]

ok i'm assuming the spindle thing in front of the valve is the "bolt". main problem i see, it would probably not move far enough to get out of the way for the next shot, and there may be interference from the front paddle. looks odd, untested design, GO FOR IT!! altho i'm fuzzy on the operation now... lol

[Dayspring]

Air chamber? The kind of system you built is reminiscent of the timmy system. Ram smacks poppet open and releases air.

You design is fine and dandy, but it won't fire a ball. The ram smacks the valve to open, but there's no air chamber. The air chamber would be sitting (in your design) where the rotating breech is. (Which btw- looks like it'll chop balls pretty well.)

EDIT- I took a second look at it. I see where you're supplying air to the valve. It still won't fire. You're too restrictive of the air coming from the reg. Look up "Pressure drop across the line." in engineering.

[Magaman]

Air chamber? The kind of system you built is reminiscent of the timmy system. Ram smacks poppet open and releases air.

You design is fine and dandy, but it won't fire a ball. The ram smacks the valve to open, but there's no air chamber. The air chamber would be sitting (in your design) where the rotating breech is. (Which btw- looks like it'll chop balls pretty well.)

EDIT- I took a second look at it. I see where you're supplying air to the valve. It still won't fire. You're too restrictive of the air coming from the reg. Look up "Pressure drop across the line." in engineering.

You talk too much, You have over 7000 Posts...

I do see his point though...

[Dayspring]

I'm going on 5 years here. I've earned that post count.

You talk too much, You have over 7000 Posts...

I do see his point though...

[SlartyBartFast]

That "bolt" system would be huge, very difficult to index (line up) properly, and it would be difficult to seal and require a good bit of power to rotate.

And, rotating AND moving?!? Wow, talk about complex (which would also mean slow).

In your opinion, what problems in other markers are you trying to solve with this design and what are the advantages of this design?

[ANGEL LCD]

idk i just thought it would be a cool design to make and something totally different

[Rokudon]

good for you on making something different, but rememebr complexity is the mechanical world's enemy. i can see slarty's point about spinning and moving, too much to coordinate.


and all you people talk about the valve and lines being too restrictive... who cares(at the moment)?? its just a drawing! if we were so picky about it, we might as well say it wont work because a paintball wont fit in it(ok it possibly could.. but i have no pbs lying around)! or that the metal tolerances are all wrong because they're 1mm thick and none of the parts are going to be strong enough because they're all crooked(no offense to your drawings)!! for all i care, whenever i see a drawing by hand or on the PC, i dont care about dimensions unless they are provided and are drawn to final plans!

ok sori i needed to get that out... anywya, i'm still having trouble on understanding how the valve will supply air to the ball.

[Dayspring]

He's got a line from the High Pressure Regulator to the bottom of the poppet valve. But as I said, there's not enough flow/volume to launch the ball.

Secondly, he was looking for feedback on concept. He did ask "What do you think?" We gave him what he asked for.

[Rokudon]

ok i dont like arguing with other ppl on forums... leads nowhere. we each have our own ways of interpretting things, and i'm sorry if i brought this upon myslef in another person's thread.

back to the desgin, i basically understand it all, but going back to the initial post, you said they were in a sleeve. what purpose does this have? field stripping use? or am i missing something...?