"Fatty" mag idea..

[FinchMan]

Since Palmers stabilizers are such great regulators for CO2, I was going to put one on my classic mag i just got, I've just gotta scrape together the funds.

Anyways.... The idea: I saw the new(?) integrated stabilizer regulator for phantoms


and the fatty stabilizer:


I thought you could do pretty much the same thing for an automag valve.
Splice the palmers fatty regulator into a classic valve. Add the ULT, and you've got a ripping valve with fast(er) recharge for CO2.


Since classic mags run at around 300-400 psi internally, and the fatty stabilizer regulates from 0 to 400 psi, it seems like a perfect match.

I know the palmers stabilizer I have on my LP spyder project gun is considerable lighter than the SS classic valve, and I'd think the fatty is also pretty lightweight too.

I think punishers-customs does the Stabilizer Phantom mod, who wants to try a fatty-mag mod?

[onedude36]

couple people have done this type of mod. I believe somone(cant remember) made a back cap and ran a vert reg like you. If you dont have the equipment to machine that, i guess you could gut the classic reg? wouldnt be too much lighter though.

[FinchMan]

couple people have done this type of mod. I believe somone(cant remember) made a back cap and ran a vert reg like you. If you dont have the equipment to machine that, i guess you could gut the classic reg? wouldnt be too much lighter though.

I think this is the part here on tunamart:

http://www.tunamart.com/index.php?c=42&p=148

[personman]

No im pretty sure thats a selector switch for an emag grip frame.

But you can do that, just gut the classic valve and run the fatty vert.. or you could make some sort of adapter to screw it on to the valve...

[behemoth]

No im pretty sure thats a selector switch for an emag grip frame..

Yeah ,it is..... ^_^

[Scott Hudnall]

No im pretty sure thats a selector switch for an emag grip frame.

But you can do that, just gut the classic valve and run the fatty vert.. or you could make some sort of adapter to screw it on to the valve...

I've often thought of this....but wouldn't that cause a slower recharge rate for the valve, moving the higher pressure farther away from the dump chamber?

[FinchMan]

Yeah ,it is..... ^_^

doh... it looks like a modded valve though....

I've often thought of this....but wouldn't that cause a slower recharge rate for the valve, moving the higher pressure farther away from the dump chamber?

I think it might has some effect on recharge, but i think there's probably a good way to reduce the problems. I'm just too tired/lazy to think of it right now.

....
Oh yeah, thats why you'd use a fatty stabilizer as an integrated regulator instead of vert, like my original idea. :P

[PnueMagger]

I spoke w/ Nicad on the phone about this B/c I am currently doing this mod to my Micromag to make it moore micro and he told me good and bad things. The stab will work great for the regulation and you can get a faster reecharge rate with the stab than the AIR. The bad news you can only get slightly faster reccrge of the chamber. I thought the stab would be able to feed a mag @ like 35 bps w/out shootdown like a cocker is fed by them. Not true. Most guns (not the mag) are always having their dump chambers being recharged by their reg. The mag only begins to fill the dump chamber once the sear is reset and the on off opens. So mags only get a fraction of the time most markers do to fill their chambers. The RT valve just simply slam fills the chamber w/ unregged gas thus overcoming the restrictive on/off. Colin said he got like 15-16 bps before seeing a very large shootdown. I will try to put an ANS extreme flow valve in mine and estimate I can hit about 17 maybe 18 in a classic valve.

[Skoad]

I've wanted to do this for a long time just to make the mag an extra inch, inch and a half shorter. I emailed nicad to ask if he would be able to widdle me up a valve plug. If you happen to find someone who can do it (or yourself) let me know, I'd like to buy one. (aluminum would be nice and light )

Oh and heres nicad's mag with plug if you didn't see it from the other thread.

[Sumthinwicked]

i can ask my machinest friends to make that up

[FinchMan]

very nice picture, makes me want one more.

I still don't know how the RT valve works. How does it blast it with unregulated air, but endup with a perfectly regulated amount in the end?

[PnueMagger]

I made a plug tonight! I simply took my existing reg, cut the body off of the treaded parts, welded the holes in the "plug" shut from the inside, screwed it in, and I might bondo the back in tomorrow. Looks swet as Is though. Then some duracoat and the valve won't look all not uniform.

The only reg I have is a PMI pure energy Inline. I'm not sure if those are good enough. It's either a 0-800psi or 800-1200psi. Hope It's the 0-800psi.
Do ya'll think this reg will be good enough as far as high flow is concered?

PS: Nicad told me no for a plug on the phone, But to contact sniper1rfa.

[FinchMan]

yeah... that plug would be fun.

Get your adjustable regulator, and a chrono, and just keep cranking it up bit by bit until the paint explodes in the barrel. See how fast you could get it going. but make sure to crank it all the way back down to legal velocities before your done.

I wonder if you could tune the lvl10 to still be soft on paint with 900 psi chamber pressure...


...yeah i shouldn't be aloud to say any ideas i come up with at 3:30 in the morning... they're to dangerous and not well thought out.

[PnueMagger]

Here's the specs on the plug that is in the picture from above....

Wow, an unexpected question on an unexpected forum. I dont check here often, anymore. Just the guild and the mcarter classifieds sometimes.

uh, IIRC it is a single lead, 14 tpi thread cut with a standard 60 degree bit. .8625 OD on the male thread, with like 80% thread.

i still use this damn thing. :P

Colin's wasnt actually off, it was crooked. He apapparently cut it using a thread cutting bit on a CNC mill, or something. So it worked fine, but threaded in weird.

BTW: I'll post pics of my plug I made soon sometime. It should be neat. My micromag is so freaking small with it's 5 inch barrel. Accuracy good to 20 yards too! I get about a 1-2 foot spread @ 25-30yrds with bargan seconds. Those are some darn good seconds, All black shell and dark purple fill and $8 for 500. Anyone knows who makes them?

[peewee]

Thanks for the info. What is the depth of the plug? Any contours on the inner face & does it have an oring groove to help with any leaking issues?