Intelliframe Pneumags

[890SHAWN]

Price

I agree wholly with you, I like it out front... and is a pinta. The tickler, as-is, is still too large to accomodate the now superior MSV-2. I've modified the mount nut, knob, an fittings though to make it work for this application. But the frame, in the end, seems like it's going to look farly respectable. The exterior plumbing makes me dissapointed, but that's only solved by using a spacious vert frame or custom frame.

However, If I invest in say a medium sized desktop mill for a couple hundred $, I could do this conversion fairly easily. Let's face it... Vert frames (although spacious) are much more expensive and not to everyone's liking. Plus, the ability to "bolt-on" a pneuframe and preform minor LPR tuning is very appealing... especially for resale value.
A minimill makes this conversion not too painstaking... and actually quicker than a front LPR mount.

Ideally, I'd want to outfit the minimill with CNC servos and just make a frame to house compnent. Then everyone can do their own conversions. But this solution is more costly and not as "fun" as uhhh... "testing" everybodys mag. I'll bet my proshop owner thinks I'm a majority shareholder of AGD by now

I guess I'll post pics sometime over the weekend.

What kind of price would it be to "stuff" an Ultimate Mechanical Frame? I am looking also at Coolhand's pnuemo/electric as options.

[Pneumagger]

well to sell a standalone frame, there are 2 options: Convert Intellifrmaes or make a frame from the ground up. As of right now, I think the standalone frame would be a flop. However I feel the intalliframe lacks the setup needed for a "professional finished product".
Here would some frough cos associated with each route taken:

Intelliframe conversion -
capable minimill - $250+
LPR + pneumatics - $60+
Intelliframe - $80used? $100+ new?
Machine + Assembly + test =
est: at least $200+

New Desined frame -
Capable CNC mill - $1000+
LPR + pneumatics - $60+
Raw materials - $25 for aluminum block
machine time way more
est: no idea.... a helluva lot more than converting frames

I dont see making a full custom frame in a basement shop environment being cheap enough for any number of useful sales.

As far as simply converting intelliframes, a cheap minimill would make the job 800 times easier and amout the same amount of work as a convention setup. I'm leaning towards that. But the fact that a macroline still needs run to the frame does make me wonder about the novelty of an internal LPR.
E, I'm with you. I think setting the lpr up out front is really a nice setup and very convenient. But phill7 asked if I could do so I said I'll do my best or end up having to replace your frame :spit_take . Luckily it worked. Just something different I guess.

[Pneumagger]

Double post

Another thing that's complicating things a bit is the fact that I'm headed back to school jan-may to finish up my degree... and school/varsity sports and simply too time consuming to convert any frames... much less do any atual paintballing.

Although making a new designed total frame or valve for the automag does make a promising senior project Nevertheless, I won't be helping AO much in a few months. So my christmas mill will have to wait a few month berfore I use it

[the electrician]

don't feel bad, lot's of us are in that boat. I have this- http://www.grizzly.com/products/G3103 in pieces in the basement waiting to be put together and used, but I have to finish remodeling the basement before I can touch it.

[Pneumagger]

don't feel bad, lot's of us are in that boat. I have this- http://www.grizzly.com/products/G3103 in pieces in the basement waiting to be put together and used, but I have to finish remodeling the basement before I can touch it.

Daannnngg BOI !!!!1 That's a little nicer then I was looking for my first minimill. Harborfreight (near my house) has a nice small cheap mills. I'm debateing between these 2...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47158
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44991

Bioth setups can accept sherlie/taig servo's and other CNC upgrades later. I'm just wondering if the extra $150 is worth it. You seem to be a little more well versed in this home shop stuff... what do you think ~e ?

[m-a-r-k-7]

My thoguhts on the LPR in the frame discussion: I don't like the way its looks on the VA, its too far down from the barrel and just doesn't look right to me. Also if its in the frame there is no reason for anyone to think its anything but a normal mag... then SUPPRISE!

BUt yeah buy a mill... I didn;t think they came that cheap... I'm almost tempted to buy one.

[omegaredghost]

here this might help http://www.cnczone.com/forums/ if it were me i would get the one with the R8 tooling it also has a bigger table on it theres nothing like indicating you"re vise and setup you"re paralles only to find out that you dont have the travel that you need to finish up the job and E think if you setup you"re mill you could make nice cuts to the sheet rock

[Pneumagger]

here this might help http://www.cnczone.com/forums/ if it were me i would get the one with the R8 tooling it also has a bigger table on it theres nothing like indicating you"re vise and setup you"re paralles only to find out that you dont have the travel that you need to finish up the job and E think if you setup you"re mill you could make nice cuts to the sheet rock

Well, I'm just looking for a nice quality small manual mill for now. I can always add servos and a control in the future. Plus I have all the CNC software I'd ever need. Manual mill + 10x the fun of a cnc mill anyhows. I would actually rather use a manual mill than a CNC mill unless CNC was required.

$400 is my limit though for now... unless I want to sell some mags. :yeahright:

[the electrician]

I don't know pneumagger, I'm probably not the guy to ask about those little machines. those tables are so small. you should read some reviews on both of them to hear the good and the bad. my motto is get a machine that is atlaest 1.75 times the size of what you think you need. somebody makes a mini mill with a nice oversized table but I can't remember who.

here's a website: http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Main/mini-mill.htm that shows some things about the mini mill. you can spend alot of time and money upgrading that little mill. but that goes for all machine tools I guess

this place here:http://www.littlemachineshop.com/default.php
is great for tooling and parts for small mills and lathes. the owners is a great guy.

that little micro mill has a wider table, which is nice and the dial is higher off the mounting surface.

I personally decided that I wanted something that had a knee so I didn't have to rely on the spindle for the Z axis.


here's what I really want, one of these in mint condition. good ol' american iron.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CLAUSING-MINI-MI...QQcmdZViewItem

omegaredghost- if I could only convince my wife that I need the mill to remodel the basement...but she knows better than that, she grew up with a dad that has a metal fab shop.

[Toll]

Without knowing your work load personally, I'd have to say that it is not worth the purchase...but having said that, you will do it anyway because you really seem to want one ^^.

[MuKen]

I would buy an LPR-in-intelliframe pneuframe. Just my 2c