Pneu's 10 Easy (not so easy) steps to 1337 MPA-3 install.

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  • Pneumagger
    I like 'Mags.

    • Jun 2006
    • 3556

    #1

    Pneu's 10 Easy (not so easy) steps to 1337 MPA-3 install.

    ok... This is going be a little confusing so bear with me.
    (aka: "let me put this into terms nobody can understand")

    Here's what I do in order:
    1) Get a dremmel and cut a notch in the MPA-3 where the sear will sit. I use the "Notched-Method" because it leaves a second point for set screws to mount to the "tab-like" remains. Take the notches as deep UP TO (not into) the spring clip gland. If you screw up and go a hiar too deep... quit your whining, as the clip gand that ecompasses the outer tabs should be sufficient.

    2) Make the piston assembly with a "lukes piston". They fit in every way possible so perfectly and the $5 is well worth the time saved. Honestly... they fit PERFECT. Just a dot of superglue in the plunger and press the luke piston in all the way using a vice very making sure everything's squared away. wipe off the squeezed out superglue and let dry for 1.7 mminutes.

    3) Push the assembled piston into the MPA-3 housing... but don't add the spring/retainer/clip just yet.

    4) I place the MPA-3 in the frame about 1/8" down from the top of the frame so the sear in the open position doesn't hit the MPA-3. Next I position the piston assembly to rear of the frame just enough so you know the sear leg WILL NOT be able to move all the way forward. The MPA-3 should be snug enough in the frame at this point to stay put... but shouldn't take alot of effort to adjust position. If you're having trouble with the MPA-3 staying put in there... wrap it with a sheet or two of machinist paper or sticky notes.

    5) Assemble the body, rail, sear (with clevis removed), and MPA-3+Frame using the front screw AND rail bushing.

    6) You should notice the sear leg has restricted forward movement, due to the fact that you hopefully placed the MPA-3 assembly just a bit too far to the rear of the frame. This is a good thing. Now with a pointy object... press firmly down on the sear back portion (the portion that strikes the on/off and protrudes through the body).

    This will press the sear all the way forward until the front leg (with the hook) imacts the uderside of the body - all AGD sears use a little bump-nub thingy as a forward stop against the bottom of the body's. Simultaneouly it should slide the MPA-3 assembly forward to the front of the frame to accomodate the full forward range of the sear.

    7) Dissassemble the Valveless mag being sure NOT TO MOVE THE MPA-3 ASSEMBLY. Now what you have done should have slightly moved the MPA-3 back and a teensy bit up. With your fingers, relower the MPA-3 to 1/8" below the surface and a TEENY BIT Back for positive sear clearance. I'm talking a TEENY DISTANCE less than 1/32" - Just a hair.

    Congratulations! your MPA-3 is positioned correctly for prefire sear clearance and vertical sear clearance... Have a drink to celebrate (preferrably Long Island or Black Russian - if your 21 of course).

    8) Now for the set screws... I want you to clamp the sides of the frame with a visegrip real hard (as so to secure the mpa-3 by pressure though the sidewalls)
    Eyeball the outside of the frame SUPER CARFULLY and your going to drill a through hole for a 4-40 set screw in these locations...


    The holes go ALL THE WAY THROUGH the frame and solid "meat" of the MPA-3. Now you see why the "Notched-Method" was used for sear clearance... gives 2 more set screws at a longer torque angle for superior mountage.

    Clearly... you must be fairly accurate when eyeballing. DO NOT MISS OR YOU WILL SNAP A DRILL BIT OR RUIN THE MPA-3. <--- happened to me twice

    9) Once all 3 holes are made you are left with 6 holes to tap with a 4-40 tap. I assume you know how to tap. Use plenty of lube or the deep braas holes will pr4wn your tap (and you'll ruin the MPA-3. <-- happened to me once

    Some frames I only drill the top set screw holes and the sear tab holes... leaving room for a bottom QEV install. In the pic above you can see the QEV modified for a rear QEV Instal with no extra frame milling and all 6 set screws (clearly the Champion of MPA-3 and QEV combos )

    10) Dissassemble everything and clean shavings out perfectly. Relube the delrin piston. Reasseble everything.. and your good to go.

    in the pics below, there is good shots of where the 3 holes were drilled from the outside:

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    As you read above, I like to put my MPA-3 about 1/8" below the surface. This provides me with a maximum height but safe sear clearance. I like to really shove it up there for more room to stick QEVs & 3 ways and to allow more sidewall coverage to use 6 set screws that bore INTO the MPA-3 rather than just 2 pinching it

    However... Feel free to go as low as youlike cause your goin electro. But I do reccomend getting at least 2 set screws INTO the MPA-3 on BOTH sides (4 total) for a solid reliable setting.

    And I will reitterate... The Lukes Piston Diameter and Legth is a godsend... worth every penny. I bout a dozen to stock up and have run out!

    Honestly... it's the MPA-3 rock solid install that I feel really makes the frame. Well, that and a sweet 3 way, Nice LPR, Slick QEV install, Match Anodizing, and copious amounts of pixie dust.

    HF GL DS,
    Pneu
    Last edited by Pneumagger; 10-26-2006, 03:44 PM.
  • Pneumagger
    I like 'Mags.

    • Jun 2006
    • 3556

    #2
    I was going to do a whole mini series on the 3 way install, Hose hookup hints, LPR install, tuning, etc...

    But now that I think about it... the MPA-3 is really the hardest part to do. If you can do that just figure out the rest. So here are the abridged editions for the 3way and LPR install.

    3 way install:
    1) shorten arm of MSV-2 to approriate length.
    2) drill new trigger rod hole as high as possible and stick rod into hole
    3) Stick the MSV-2 in there with a single screw mount. A dremmel may be needed.
    4) done... Celebrate with 2:1 ratio of kahlua:vodka or visa versa... i always forget after a few.

    LPR install:
    1) drill and tap a 1/8-27 NPT hole in the front of the VA.
    2) Don't Miss
    3) Make 1/8" channel for LP air ine through rail
    4) Done... Celebrate with with another Black Russian.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The testing/tuning Updates as well as the remainder of the Kahlua/Vodka will come later on.

    Have fun...Play Hard...Consume responsibly.
    Pneu
    Last edited by Pneumagger; 10-26-2006, 03:45 PM.

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    • Shingo
      The Solar Powered Cat
      • Oct 2001
      • 335

      #3
      Nice!

      If I can only go back in time to work on my Micro-PneuMag with the knowledge I have now...

      Thanks Pneumagger... I'm adding this to the PneuMag Database.

      ~Shingo~




      PneuMag Database updated 10-27-2006-0930
      Last edited by Shingo; 10-27-2006, 10:29 AM.

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      • Temo Vryce
        Super Chicken
        • Sep 2001
        • 1023

        #4
        Originally posted by Shingo
        Nice!

        If I can only go back in time to work on my Micro-PneuMag with the knowledge I have now...

        Thanks Pneumagger... I'm adding this to the PneuMag Database.

        ~Shingo~
        Man, now I have to download the database again. Nice work by the way, both of you.

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        • benzy2
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 546

          #5
          That was the way I set my mpa3 position. i didnt use the triple mounting though which does seem like a good idea. When you drill your holes do you drill one hole at a time and then tap it and insert the screw or do you count on the vicegrip pressure and drill all three and then tap them after all are drilled? It would seem like screwing the unit in would help keep it still, even more so if you did a back one and then the front one.
          Why doesnt anything work for me.

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          • Pneumagger
            I like 'Mags.

            • Jun 2006
            • 3556

            #6
            Originally posted by benzy2
            That was the way I set my mpa3 position. i didnt use the triple mounting though which does seem like a good idea. When you drill your holes do you drill one hole at a time and then tap it and insert the screw or do you count on the vicegrip pressure and drill all three and then tap them after all are drilled? It would seem like screwing the unit in would help keep it still, even more so if you did a back one and then the front one.
            I stick it in the vice, drill 3 holes, Tap them, then remove the vice and clean off shavings.

            A good idea is to remove the derin piston assembly just prior to drilling. That way excessive head won't melt an oring or warp the delrin plunger.

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            • benzy2
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 546

              #7
              Yeah I left the plunger out whenever shavings could enter it. I know the next one I do will be done like at least a few more of these steps.

              And get those other tuts up. I want to see some asa drilling and lpr hiding.
              Why doesnt anything work for me.

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              • FinchMan
                LVL10 classic minimag
                • Nov 2004
                • 459

                #8
                awesome guide man!

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                • Zneaky
                  Got Jesus?
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 190

                  #9
                  which QEV did you use? and how did you moddify it?

                  Thanks,

                  Z
                  Z

                  Warning: Exposure to the SON may prevent burning!!

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                  • Pneumagger
                    I like 'Mags.

                    • Jun 2006
                    • 3556

                    #10
                    tandard Clippard MEV-2. I simply relocated the input to the side (as seen in the pic) so it could go straight onto the MPA-3 without any extra frame or MPA-3 mods.

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                    • BigEvil
                      www.BigEvilOnline.com

                      • Feb 2005
                      • 9333

                      #11
                      Hey pneumagger, do you use anything to aid the trigger return?

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                      • Pneumagger
                        I like 'Mags.

                        • Jun 2006
                        • 3556

                        #12
                        nope. it's just the return force of the actuator.

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                        • Zneaky
                          Got Jesus?
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 190

                          #13
                          i appologize for belaboring the point, but what exactly do you have to do to relocate a barb on the qev? Does it involve drilling and tapping?

                          Thanks,

                          Z
                          Z

                          Warning: Exposure to the SON may prevent burning!!

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                          • Pneumagger
                            I like 'Mags.

                            • Jun 2006
                            • 3556

                            #14
                            first you have to plug the input of the QEV. Then you drill and tap a new port carefully into the side. Just don't miss.

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                            • longi
                              I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 490

                              #15
                              Anyone know why the MPA-3 has to be fitted so as to make contact with sear in the rest position?

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