Some Thoughtfull Words sent from Glenn Palmer

[XspyX]

Deep stuff

[Cha0tic]

that is really good. that kid will be some famous writer someday.

[joeyjoe367]

I think everyone here is right.

The writer of this poem is saying that things today are missing heart, and it's all about mass production and, basically, money. He's also saying that family values/morals aren't as good as they used to be which I think, in some ways, is true also.

However, Curt, you do have a point. We do live like Kings. I mean, who can order Groceries from their computers? or who can go to taco bell and get chalupas for 99 cents? which is nothing to us?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should remember our past, and learn from it, however don't take what we have now for granted (sp?). Our past, present, and future all have things that the others dont.

Just make the best of it.

[Arturus]

I'll try and not make it too long, as I always do!

Curt - "People, please, look around and think for yourselves. Try to take less for granted and realize how good we have it..."

In a way both of what was written in the kid's Poetry/writings and your own thoughts expressed above have the same meanings.

Give it a chance and go through it once more, might be surprised. At times it seems like most of the arguments and disagreements that take places aren't out of difference in ideals, but rather miscommunication. Whether that stems from stubbornness, and refusal to listen or not being able to and simply misunderstanding.. Both of which I'm often guilty of. So give it a chance.

And Shartly, sometimes it's those of us who are naive and innocent... the dreamers and the ones without 'hands' on experience who see the clearest. A viewpoint without the obstructions of the bitterness, mistrust, cyncism and all the other little grays life brings us. Just my thoughts... Not disagreeing with you, but only further enforcing some of your points. Clarity afterall is what most of us seek in life.

Oh and loved that witty little qoute -

"Love thy neighbor is a fine sentiment for a Poet, but not a King"

So often true.


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[luke]

AWESOME! This is a keeper.

[shartley]

[cybrllama]

thats one opinion. sounds like something from Confucius. I prefer the TAO myself. I cant really agree with all that. It seems like a gross overgeneralization. Not everyone is an empty materialistic monster that hates everybody.
It's a great poem though. I'm in high school myself and think it's pretty good for one my peers. I'd change the ending though, it's not as powerful as the rest of the poem.

-cybrllama

[cybrllama]

Sorry i had to post again, didn't read everyone's comments b4 posting.

"Milk was the standard." -Webmaster

Milk is still the most popular drink in the nation.

Curt, i agree with you partially. We do live like kings, but he is saying we don't appreciate it.He's not literally talking about less nutrition. As cheesy as this is going to sound: its a metaphor. He says spend more but have less. He's not talking about being able to buy a cheese burger at midnight or your home entertainment system. He's talking about non-material things. If you enjoy all that stuff then great. That's what it is about. Enjoying what you have.
Big red one, i agree more so with what you said. Not entirely though(as if two ppl would ever agree on anything entirely). Listen carefully im gonna tell you all the secret to life. LOL, im 17. Well in my extensive experience im come up with this.

The key to life is knowing when to be satisfied.

If you are always satisfied you aren't doing any good because you shouldn't be happy with everything, especially things like prejudice. However, as it seems is the case with out well spoken poet, you also shouldn't be dissatisfied with everything because you can't change it all and you will never be happy.It's finding the balance. It's always about some sort of happy medium isn't it? in everything we do it seems like we need to find the happy medium. It's the Goldilox principle. You remember, the pouridge...

nastymag, every body has some sort of fault. It's not about addictions or anorexia, its about fighting it. Not everybody feels they need to live up to what society wants us to be. Everyone is different.

Webmaster said it, poetry is all in how you interprate it. Glenn might not see it the same way we do. Also he can feel whatever he wants just as the rest of us can. Please dont feel im trying to tell anyone what or how to think, Im just telling you what and how I THINK.

In closing my rant, Joey joe and sovereign had it on the tips of their tongues. Things are the way they are.

Just Be.

-cybrllama

[shartley]

[Support Mag]

wow. i just sent this to all 724 members of my adres book. it basically sums up society. my parents talk about it a lot. its true. im sitting in my room, looking at all the crap i have that they didnt, and i realize i use each once once or twice a day. that was powerful stuff. a well written page my friend. thanks for the insight

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[Arturus]

Shartley - I guess like most topics we can respond by pointing to each and every little detail made, but overall I think we do agree on the 'big' picture. That and I'm still half asleep...

You do need real life experiences and like the scene in 'Good Will Hunting' - which by the way is one of my favorite movies - you have to have been there for certain things. Especially in the areas of life that concern humanity... Art, Love, Passion, Hate, Death, and Hunger. The list goes on...

Keep in mind though, that Will himself in the movie was blinded by life 'experiences' that taught him to be bitter, distrusting of others... Cynical. Robin William's character in turn had to use his own lessons and experiences in life to give Matt's character a little helping hand. Just another side of the story.

Thanks for your reply Shartley and by the way, wish you well on the little contest AGD's having! AGD PM Elite - Piece-Maker 2x. Has a valid meaning to those of us who know the story behind it and 'fancy' enough to sell.

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[This message has been edited by Arturus (edited 07-23-2001).]

[fenris69]

its not saying anything we dont already know...nor is it gonna make anyone pay any more notice to these things. the poem comes off as a complaint letter to society and no one cares. i mean...go turn on your tv right now and tell me the programming hasnt gotten progressively worse over the last few years. what about the radio or music? i havnt heard a new song/band(popular stuff that makes it onto tv or radio) i felt good about in a couple years..and im only 22!!! that aint right. and as for the tv? i woke up one day and it was full frontal nudity after 6pm, game shows glorifying infidelity..well, hell that and every other sitcom... and utter tripe on most of the other channels...or maybe im just angry. i need to play more paintball
btw if your wondering about the nudity im in canada and yes they do that, if your also from canada and would like to catch this check out ..uhhh sexual century?? on either history or showcase midday weekends i believe(not sure how it is in the states)

[cphilip]

Gee... do we always have to analyze, criticize and over-think this? I for one and glad to see the kid is thinking about things and writing about how he feels about them from his perspective. No matter the content or correctness. More power to him.

PS: my Kid was chosen to be Published in Young Writers of America this year. For a poem he wrote. Proud of that boy.

[Xzion]

wow.... very profound stuff... very nice...

[Arturus]

There you go Cphilip, agree with you wholeheartedly.

And congrats on your son's poem and writings. Should definately be proud of him.