Who wants to cast the first stone?

[Darkstorm]

[Tassel Mask]

If what you said is all true, this game would have been one heck of an event. I mean the dome and everything. They had some great monster truck shows. Just reading your thread made my mouth drop. I had no actual idea of the scale this thing was going to be. I just thought they were gonna find another big park in some new area and play the same game as we always do.

I don't think people are here to take there agression out on anyone (not me anyway) I just want some direct explanation. The waiting and not knowing is whats hardest. Thanks for the info and watch out for the cops in Liberty Texas...they'll get you every time.

REMARK:
I'll bet if we had got Jole Olstein on our side we could have played in the Enron building.

T.M.

[Tina]

Thanks for the info Darkstorm...I'll post it on Bill's site.

[Mike Smith]

Darkstorm.... It didn't happen. It didn't get done.... Where was the plan "B"?

Common sense demands a plan "B" when an attempt at something this ambitious is being planned. Seems like there is enough "buts" and "what ifs" and "what could have beens" to sink a battleship.

So who lost sight of the big picture?


Never mind.... It doesn't matter.

[Nrtheastah]

[msprince]

Can I hear an AMEN

Some people must have always gotten everything they wanted whenever they wanted because I think the word "Spoiled Brat" fits in with a lot of the negative comments.
It's all a big "How come you didn't have this, why didn't you do that, WAHHHHH!" Now I don't get what I want and I want it now

Someday I'll make it to one of these events and when I do I'll make sure to let everyone know "WE" appreciate everything they do to get these things together

Stephanie Prince(ss)
MXS Publicist
"The Cookie Lady"
Co-Captain Battle Born

[Mike Smith]

Stephanie;
This is basic business 101.

A smart promoter will go for the glory, but have a back-up plan, in case the once in a life-time plan falls through.

A dumb one won't.

[Glickman]

Some people must have always gotten everything they wanted whenever they wanted because I think the word "Spoiled Brat" fits in with a lot of the negative comments.
It's all a big "How come you didn't have this, why didn't you do that, WAHHHHH!" Now I don't get what I want and I want it now

cynical much?

i was personally not happy because of the time restrictions of getting days off at work, as well as the time restrictions of getting air transportation and hotel rates at a decent rate.

which im sure bothers other people as well

1 month difference could mean a plane ticket of $150 or $450

it also makes a much bigger difference on a high schoolers pay


personally, i wouldnt have had a problem with any 'ol decent sized outdoor field as the '05 game. but time is a problem for many people

[Nrtheastah]

[Rick-USA]

Darkstorm I have to give you credit where it's due. When you first mentioned this so many many months ago I was shocked to say the least. Having lived in Harris County for a number of years now I have to say this sounds a lot like typical county business. Make promises to people verbally but when it comes down to the bottom line use another agency within your group as the scapegoat.

As far as having a backup plan. I have to agree with Nrtheastah on this one. To have a backup for an event of this size would require you asking another venue to at the least pencil you in. I don't know of many venues that would have the facilities to handle something this size that would just do that ruining any chance of having any other business that weekend.

[Tassel Mask]

Hey Rick, remember when Kingwood got annexed into Houston back in I'd say 99? Harris County really pulled a job over on us.

Other than that, isn't there a back up plan in the works as we speak? I am under the impression there will be another event later in the year. Help me out anyone; am I right?

I mean the event lives on beyond the hold up, thats what matters.

T. M.

[Trips]

[Glickman]

shatner isnt really to blame, but hell need an army of khans to stop him from getting bonus balled



i can see it now

Get your mag deviled free to the first who makes him convulse

[Mike Smith]

Trips:
You can name names... You aren't gonna hurt anyone's "feelings". I don't like getting "played" for 8 months, so I'll express my thoughts on the matter. Big plans can fall, that's why backup plans are important. BTW, when Shatner stated the charity only netted $17,000, I did do some math and noted that there was something wrong. Tom validated my math by reminding me and Bill of the $10,000+ that the 100 Club received. My mathematical conclusions were accurate. When I dump $800 attending a charity game, I want to be sure there is no funny business with the charity money.

Rick:
Is Paintball USA available for Shatnerball on Labor Day? I know y'all can handle 1000 people with some room to spare and your field would be great for the game.

[Nudi]

Kinda long, even for me...

I've never posted on the AO forums before, but I feel the need now.

I can say this also, I have read posts by people that I have come to respect as players and as friends that have made me shake my head in shame.

Bobby, when did people posting their opinions become something shameful to you? Did you email those it concerns and tell them this? I doubt it, but you had no qualms voicing your opinions concerning their opinions or what they did....should I be ashamed of you? Or are you going to be ashamed of me too?

Since when did not agreeing with the ViPs involved (and yes, Bobby you ultimated the event last year, so your views are kinda jaded now) open you up for target practice on these boards? Granted, posting on any board opens you up to a world of criticism (so feel free to flame me, if you so desire) but none of the people who are anxious and upset about this whole subject are people who WEREN'T coming to the game...so keep that in mind. These were people who had the audacity to try to PLAN this game into their hectic lives and schedules, so please tread lightly on their concern. I mean, it's all about the game to them, right? The average player? You're damn right it is....

And paintball players are fickle, don't forget that! I mean, it's great if my money goes to charity, but have no doubts I came to play. If it was just about the charity, I'll mail a check!

These could be people who have limited budgets and time constraints. Or people (like the very shameful Mike Smith) who for the past couple of years has constructed an entire vacation around this one game. I'd say that's rather flattering to Celebrity Paintball. And I don't blame Mike for being upset about having his vacation pulled out from under him at the last minute.

I read Mike's posts and didn't get the feeling at all that he was 'bragging' about taking shots at 'those putting on the game.' Mike just isn't that way. What I did gather was that he was well aware that he probably hadn't won any popularity contests here at AO by posting what he posted. Well, thank God this isn't a popularity contest....or is it?

Mostly I think Mike is entitled to his opinion and by attending the game twice out of three years has earned it. He has more credibility to me than someone who has never attended (and while anyone can have an opinion, I can chose whether or not I view it as meaningful to me).

There are people who don't like Pat and Diane McKinnon (the partial owners of Celebrity Paintball, not the owners of MXS) and will seem to blame them. There are people who don't like Tom Kaye (the partial owner of Celebrity Paintball, not the former president of AGD) and will seem to blame him. There seem to be a lot of people who don't like Shatner (another partial owner of Celebrity Paintball) and will seem to blame him. Personally, I have no problems with any of the parties involved and wish them well in their Celebrity Paintball endeavors.

Are they to blame? Only they know for sure, but that doens't mean we will ever know. That end of business just isn't our...well, business. But that doesn't mean we won't ask. And that doesn't mean we won't voice our displeasure. That end of business is...well, business too. And in the end, we are still consumers who have been promised a product that didn't materalize, for whatever reason.

So, those of you who feel the need to fall on your swords for Pat and/or Diane, Tom or Bill, go right ahead. But keep it real...and do it in the name of Celebrity Paintball...not MXS, not AGD, and not Star Trek. Try to keep the personal attacks (and defends) out of it, for the betterment of the discussion (but expect that they will come and take them for what they are).

Does that mean I just attacked Bobby? No, but I wonder if he will think so. Nah, he knows me better than that. Besides I still see the player in Bobby, which is why he makes a good ultimate.

Just my thoughts....

Barrie 'Nudi' Reid
Thunderstruck Scenario Team
Editor, Scenario News

(The views expressed above are mine and mine alone, just an average female scenario paintballer at the top of her game. They do not express the views of Thunderstruck Scenario Team, Scenario News, paintball players in general, women in the world, the great state of Texas, or my dog, Milo. If you don't like them or agree, well...I just don't know what to tell ya!)