PaintBall Dangers

[Beemer]

http://www.paintballdangers.com/index.htm

Watch the news vid links on the left of page. http://www.paintballdangers.com/pbd_death.htm

"People have a right to know everything that the manufactures know about hidden dangers and risks associated with their products."

[CPSC]It takes an active role in developing, issuing and enforcing mandatory standards as well as recalling or providing warnings related to product hazards.

Ya for mandatory standards only. ASTM standards are not.

In both of these incidents which caused the deaths of Colette Contois and Brandon Johnson, the C02 cylinders were manufactured by Catalina Cylinders and were assembled to the C02 valve by National Paintball Supply, Inc..

"There are a number of experienced people in the paintball industry who may be capable of properly removing and re-installing a C02 valve. However, there is no uniform training for the procedure or even a clear and consistent standard for doing so."

has never been regulated by any governing body. It is self-regulated and the industry has developed its own rules and guidelines. It is not known whether all paintball service providers, whether field operators or equipment designers and manufacturers, adhere to the recommended guidelines."

Twenty years and no real governing body. Wonder why that is. Wait I know. Its so they can go by their own rules.

Ya self-regulated for crap and the CPSC knows it.
This is for Co2. He should see how we handle HPA at 3000, 4500PSI.

[OneUp]

great site. needs to update with jason's burn injuries.

and of course, someone made a tank valve that will leak out all the air as to not shoot out the tank body, but naturally last I heard that person took the liberty to patent it, making other companies more difficult to use the design. There does need a governing body, paintball equipments are equipments, not toys.

[Beemer]

Bottom of this page.........http://www.paintballdangers.com/pbd_...le_defects.htm

What is a Smart Valve. No pic or description.

[OneUp]

http://www.xpaintball.com/smpasmva.html

I think smart parts patented it.

[Beemer]

http://guerrillaair.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=128

"World's Safest Regulator."

"High flow dump channels" to permit total venting prior to regulator disengagement."

"Patent Pending "Anti-Launch" automatic internal shut off poppet."

[trevorjk]

so this guy is basically trying to tear apart the paintball industry because of a few idiots?

[Smoothice]

Paintball is tearing itself apart. The ones who died didnt do anything idiotic. The bottle unscrewed from the valve, and it shouldnt have.

I was playing with a private group and my friends dad was in the process of unsrewing his c02 tank. As he was doing it he said "This doesn't look right". I looked over and the bottle was unscrewing from the regulator. A few more turns and it would have gotten ugly.

He has been playing for years and was just unscrewing his bottle to get it filled like he always has.

It has nothing to do with the age of the player. We all get into habits of expecting things to work properly. And when they don't bad things can happen.

[Beemer]

so this guy is basically trying to tear apart the paintball industry because of a few idiots?

So you must have missed this part then huh?

"It is not my intent to set out on a crusade to disband the sport of paintball.Nor is it my intent to regulate this sport to such a degree that it takes away from its expected enjoyment. I am driven by the compelling compassion for human life to make sure that anyone who chooses to participate in this sport has the opportunity to be informed of the risks and dangers associated not only with the game, but with paintball equipment.

[trevorjk]

So you must have missed this part then huh?

yes i did miss that

i quickly glanced at the links, text, ect ect and found a relatively negative outlook on paintball due to unfortunate incidents that were documented.


*edit* what i meant by most idiots, is that from what i have seen/read, is that MOST incidents are caused by user error. by not taking proper precautions or by modifying/changing things with out concern to safety. i have worked at a paintball store for years and some of the things that come through the store is just mind boggling how some people could even deem there stuff safe for them selves or others

but then again what is comman sense to most, is completely unheard of for others. so with that being said i DO BELEIVE that there should be better safety standards in place and better manuals on markers and tanks and better warning systems.

a simple warning that probably would have saved both lives is dry fire the gun a few times to de-gas the back pressure in front of the tank O-ring. That way you don't have to put torque into tanking the tank off and possibly breaking the loctite seal. this would solve MOST cases which i have seen personally of the tank valve becoming loose.

[Beemer]

yes i did miss that

i quickly glanced at the links, text, ect ect and found a relatively negative outlook on paintball due to unfortunate incidents that were documented.


*edit* what i meant by most idiots, is that from what i have seen/read, is that MOST incidents are caused by user error. by not taking proper precautions or by modifying/changing things with out concern to safety. i have worked at a paintball store for years and some of the things that come through the store is just mind boggling how some people could even deem there stuff safe for them selves or others

Well I took it like he just wants to inform and educate. Cant call that negative.

You can blame the industry and us for the rest of it. They dont CARE. Give me your money see ya later. Make standards then dont follow them. No Governing body, Bla, Bla, Bla............

[thegrayghost]

So you must have missed this part then huh?

it facinates me wherever, i go and travel, on how sparse safety is evaluated until something drastic happens...in our Forum, i try and post safety issues, because even if i save (1) eye, its worth my time and effort, my eye, your eye, your friends eye, God only gave us two...with tanks exploding, things are more drastic...until it happens in your back yard,people will be lax....the industry is lax, and with the amount of players in the arena, i am not surprised that there are not more accidents...the bottom line, i believe is the bottom line, and not safety....my 2 cents worth....thegrayghost....

[AirAssault]

Hidden dangers of meat thermometers, news at 11.


I worked at a Pizza Hut in college. A lady fell on a meat thermometer and it entered her rib cage and then punctured her right lung. I SAY WE BAN ALL MEAT THERMOMETERS IMMEDIATELY!!! These things are dangerouse and we all need to know the dangers of using them.

[Aggravated Assault]

Hidden dangers of meat thermometers, news at 11.


I worked at a Pizza Hut in college. A lady fell on a meat thermometer and it entered her rib cage and then punctured her right lung. I SAY WE BAN ALL MEAT THERMOMETERS IMMEDIATELY!!! These things are dangerouse and we all need to know the dangers of using them.

And some people wonder why safety often takes a back seat in paintball.

There are some serious issues out there regarding how we treat HPA, to ROF issues, and equipment standards, all mentioned earlier. We actually need to take this stuff seriously.

[AirAssault]

And some people wonder why safety often takes a back seat in paintball.

There are some serious issues out there regarding how we treat HPA, to ROF issues, and equipment standards, all mentioned earlier. We actually need to take this stuff seriously.

No really, that happened. Now the banning of the meat thermometer was a bit over the top but she really did fall on it.

I, while not paying attention like I should of been, almost did the same thing with one of my HPA tanks. I was yapping away about the game instead of paying attention to what I was doing. Thought to myself, hmmm this sure is taking a long time, and saw I had the tank about half off. I about pood myself and sheepishly reversed my action. Luckily I happened to be in a position that I would of prob been the only one hurt but still......

I'm all for more organized and enforceable rules. However the number two problem for the most part is people like me not paying attention. The number one thing is education.

Plus people falling on meat thermos at Pizza Hut, and I say this knowing she is 100% ok and got a nice bit-O-cash out of the deal, are funny.

[Lohman446]

Idiots? Are you referring to the ones in the paintball industry that make products? Or the ones who died?

Give it time. When a ramping marker that violates ASTM voluntary guidelines is shown to have killed someone, everyone can cry its the idiots when in fact the paintball industry ignored its own voluntary safety guidelines. The industry is doing it to themselves.

Yeh... cause all the deaths in paintball can be directly attributed to ramping markers....

Oh, wait.

Our careless use of HPA tanks perhaps? Take a scuba diver friend to the field once, let him see how we treat loaded HPA bottles (or how we fill them). Ask him/her where the next death in paintball will come from? I doubt it has anything to do with paint or markers.