What style of trigger do you prefer?

[RogueFactor]

Scythe only reffers to the shape of the trigger. And I dont know about you, but I use mine for mowing all the time

Not just the shape, but also the style. It is a single-edged trigger. Double triggers are not.

[Warwitch]

Not just the shape, but also the style. It is a single-edged trigger. Double triggers are not.

Ah, now I see.

[going_home]

Tunablade style trigger hands down.
Of course it wouldnt do much good to design one for an Intelliframe,
with no more room in the guard than it has.
Would be awesome to have one like that for a UMF though.

[mr doo doo]

Between using the regular double trigger from the Intelliframe and the viperblade pro, definetely the viperblade!!

[drg]

We would disagree.

As far as blade vs. double goes, the ViperBlade(while most definitly a scythe styling) would be considered a "blade trigger". Scythe, by definition, is a blade. And a Blade as far as triggers go, have a single edge.

The Splinter Pro would be considered a double trigger. And because it has a hump, it is by definition NOT a blade trigger. It has a double edge separated by the hump.

Most manufacturers differentiate between true blade style -- a single, basically flat or concave curve -- and "wave" style, which has been called "scythe" style earlier in this thread -- a compound of 2 curves, one convex and one concave.

There is certainly enough difference in feel to make lumping them together undesirable for the purposes of a poll like this. The wave type triggers move the point of contact a lot further out toward the middle finger.

[Anjin3515]

Most manufacturers differentiate between true blade style -- a single, basically flat or concave curve -- and "wave" style, which has been called "scythe" style earlier in this thread -- a compound of 2 curves, one convex and one concave.

There is certainly enough difference in feel to make lumping them together undesirable for the purposes of a poll like this. The wave type triggers move the point of contact a lot further out toward the middle finger.

As I stated earlier...I was going off basic looks...I didn't know there was such complexity in triggers...and I am finding this educational...but i did leave room for my ignorance with the choice of "Something I missed"

Really the point was to see what most people prefer and are comfortable with so eventually based off that information I may try out the "winning" trigger style. Of course I am going to start with the stock trigger...and if I like it I may never change. Still good to get the information for future reference.

[RogueFactor]

There is certainly enough difference in feel to make lumping them together undesirable for the purposes of a poll like this. The wave type triggers move the point of contact a lot further out toward the middle finger.

Check the poll. This is about blade vs. double triggers vs. single. Im sure once he decides on the style he wants(based on looks), then he will make a poll on feel. Then you can tell him all about the difference between the BLADE style triggers available.

Also, the way a trigger feels is subjective. He wont know how they feel for him until he tries one. It appears he is looking to narrow down his decisions by what the majority go with based on looks.

As I stated earlier...I was going off basic looks...I didn't know there was such complexity in triggers...and I am finding this educational...but i did leave room for my ignorance with the choice of "Something I missed"

Really the point was to see what most people prefer and are comfortable with so eventually based off that information I may try out the "winning" trigger style. Of course I am going to start with the stock trigger...and if I like it I may never change. Still good to get the information for future reference.

I realized you were going off basic looks. And the basics are just as I posted. There really isnt a complexity to triggers.

There are only 2 ways to choose a trigger: Looks and Feel. If you like the way it looks, and you like the way it Feels, the choice is easy. Problem is, you wont know how it feels until you try one. So a buyer usually starts with the style they like.

I can for certain give the answer as far as preference goes. Most mag users choose blade style triggers(whether that be a scythe or not) over double triggers. The selling ratio of the ViperBlade vs Splinter Pro is 5:1. As for AGD Blade vs. Double, I think Ive only ever sold 1 or 2 double triggers. All the rest have been AGD Intelliblades.

Hope this helps.

[drg]

Also, the way a trigger feels is subjective. He wont know how they feel for him until he tries one. It appears he is looking to narrow down his decisions by what the majority go with based on looks.

Actually no, the way a trigger feels is not subjective, it is an objective result of its design/profile. How you like the way it feels is subjective.

A blade and a true wave/scythe trigger are two different kinds of triggers, period. There may be some confusion because the Viperblade Pro is a relatively mild compound curve and treads right at the edge of what has been called a "blade" by other manufacturers (note that blade styles are usually a single, gentle curve, but can be either convex or concave). However a true wave style feels as different from a true blade style as a double feels from a blade ... in fact probably more so.

As an example, with a true blade, the index and middle fingers travel approximately the same distance when walking, which is the same as a double trigger. With a wave/scythe style, the middle finger travels far less than the index when walking. This has implications with different wrist angles, among other things.

[RogueFactor]

Actually no, the way a trigger feels is not subjective, it is an objective result of its design/profile. How you like the way it feels is subjective.

Actually, no. Feel, one of our 5 senses, is subjective. Its an individual perception. So 'the way a trigger feels' is subjective by definition. Because the way it feels to you is not the same as the way it feels to someone else. So it is NOT objective. Whether one likes that feel, is also subjective.

A blade and a true wave/scythe trigger are two different kinds of triggers, period.

Sorry, but that is incorrect.

Any single edged trigger is a 'blade' trigger. Those styles of triggers include all the different single edged shapes(CP rake, Techna Trigger finger job, Techna Trigger scythe/wave, CP slingblade, CP Swoop Trigger, etc)

Double Triggers Id hope are self explanatory.

However a true wave style feels as different from a true blade style as a double feels from a blade ... in fact probably more so.

That may be true. How it feels has nothing to do with how triggers are classified. Here is the classification tree:

Highest Classification: Single Trigger(all triggers that are 1 finger) vs. Double Trigger(all triggers that are 2 finger)
Subset of Double Triggers: Blade Triggers(All Single edged triggers), Double Triggers(All Double edged triggers)
Subset of Blade Triggers: Blade Style(as youve suggested), Scythe/Wave Style, Swoop style, etc

Note: I am using the first subset. You are arguing the second subset. In this case, the guy who started the poll has asked to choose based on LOOKS. The difference in LOOKS between a blade and double triggers. Check the poll. He didnt ask for the next subset, the differences between the blade styles of triggers

As an example, with a true blade, the index and middle fingers travel approximately the same distance when walking, which is the same as a double trigger. With a wave/scythe style, the middle finger travels far less than the index when walking. This has implications with different wrist angles, among other things.

Distances, wrist angles among other things are all individual and therefore subjective. How a user shoots, whether with one finger or two, the size of their fingers, hands, the style of the frame they use(vert, 45, hybrid, Y-Grip, Z-Grip) will be different from user to user. Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how triggers are classified.

[Anjin3515]

Check the poll. This is about blade vs. double triggers vs. single. Im sure once he decides on the style he wants(based on looks), then he will make a poll on feel. Then you can tell him all about the difference between the BLADE style triggers available.

Also, the way a trigger feels is subjective. He wont know how they feel for him until he tries one. It appears he is looking to narrow down his decisions by what the majority go with based on looks.

I realized you were going off basic looks. And the basics are just as I posted. There really isnt a complexity to triggers.

I should clarify....my bad....

What I meant by "going off of looks" was..... I chose the poll options based on what a trigger looks like...not knowing much about triggers I went with what I figured were the differences as shown by the way they look....I wouldn't just buy a trigger based on looks alone...and my fault for not being more clear on this....the "going off of looks" did not refer to how I was going to make my choice...but rather how I set up the poll options....and again...my fault for not making this more clear....

By complexity I meant I didn't know there was difference between the blade style triggers...in my noobness I thought a blade was a blade was a blade.....but I guess I am learning there is more to this :)

I wanted to get a sample of what Mag users prefer....then based on that I could try the majority option first. Figuring that would be a good starting point rather then just guessing in the dark what to try. I agree completely that the feel will be subjective. I don't know what these will all feel like...so I was going for the "most popular" hopeing/thinking that this would be subjectively by majority (if there is such a thing) the best "feel"...or at least the best point to start figuring out what I would prefer.

Rogue...you have always been helpful...

Actually no, the way a trigger feels is not subjective, it is an objective result of its design/profile. How you like the way it feels is subjective.

I think what Rogue was saying (hope its ok to speak for you Rogue)....was that "feel" was how one likes/prefers/is comfortable with the trigger. I don't think he meant literally the way it feels on ones finger. While what you say is true I think there was a gap in communication over the meaning of "feel".
EDIT : This was being typed while Rogue posted his response and he explained what he meant...I am still leaving it in...as I think maybe we were splitting hairs here about what "feel" is.....


Thanks for the information about the different triggers and how they work....its good information for me to have.



In the end when it comes to things like this its all personal preference....I was trying to get at what the majority's personal preference was....In time I will figure out mine.

Again sorry for any confusion....

[cyrus-the-virus]

Straight blade triggers on semi auto guns.

single trigger on pumps

[RogueFactor]

I should clarify....my bad....

What I meant by "going off of looks" was..... I chose the poll options based on what a trigger looks like...not knowing much about triggers I went with what I figured were the differences as shown by the way they look....I wouldn't just buy a trigger based on looks alone...and my fault for not being more clear on this....the "going off of looks" did not refer to how I was going to make my choice...but rather how I set up the poll options....and again...my fault for not making this more clear....

By complexity I meant I didn't know there was difference between the blade style triggers...in my noobness I thought a blade was a blade was a blade.....but I guess I am learning there is more to this :)

I wanted to get a sample of what Mag users prefer....then based on that I could try the majority option first. Figuring that would be a good starting point rather then just guessing in the dark what to try. I agree completely that the feel will be subjective. I don't know what these will all feel like...so I was going for the "most popular" hopeing/thinking that this would be subjectively by majority (if there is such a thing) the best "feel"...or at least the best point to start figuring out what I would prefer.

Rogue...you have always been helpful...

Its all good. Trust me, I get this question ALL THE TIME! I knew you were starting from the beginning. The silly part about it is, by drg/warbeak2099's definition, there arent any aftermarket 'true blade' triggers for AGD frames. Only the scythe style. So their points become pointless since you are looking for a mag trigger.

The reason why the triggers are classified in the order from SET to SUBSET as Ive listed, is thats how the customer makes their choice. First they choose between 1-Finger vs. 2 Finger, then between Blade and Double. Then once theyve narrowed that down, they choose between the styles of blades or the styles of doubles.

Its a fairly simple process, unless you get someone who wants to argue FEEL. Because then it becomes subjective and there is no right or wrong answer.

Thanks for the information about the different triggers and how they work....its good information for me to have.

In the end when it comes to things like this its all personal preference....I was trying to get at what the majority's personal preference was....In time I will figure out mine.

Sure thing.

Let me repeat though....Blade style triggers outsell the doubles easily. The style of blade trigger doesnt matter either.

[MoeMag]

Best trigger.


First off... the ego trigger system is incredible. Forward and backward stops, travel adjust, and magnetic and/or spring tension adjustors. I like micro switches but optics with a magnetic return will always be my fav. Forgive me but the Hall sensor never had a well enough defined activation point for me.

But on track with this thread...
I like a metal slight single fwd curve with a high gloss finish. Nothing like a little dow 55 on a shiny metal trigger. Carbon fiber and delrin triggers never did it for me. Then anything with a dust finish just sucks. too much grip on the trigger for rake'ing it. Oh! did I mention bearings? yeah... I like bearings a lot. Smooth as all get out and NO SIDE TO SIDE SLOP!

EDIT:
whoops... I was still caught up with the g-force p-frame trigger thing.

I like the CF single trigger the best for mags. Its just cool.

[drg]

Actually, no. Feel, one of our 5 senses, is subjective. Its an individual perception. So 'the way a trigger feels' is subjective by definition. Because the way it feels to you is not the same as the way it feels to someone else. So it is NOT objective. Whether one likes that feel, is also subjective.

We are not talking about the sense "feel" but "trigger feel" -- the sum total of the physical, mechanical properties of a particular trigger in relation to activating it. This includes trigger geometry, pull weight, sideplay, etc. all very tangible and objectively measurable. It is a property of the trigger and/or the marker, not the sense of the person touching it.

Sorry, but that is incorrect.

Any single edged trigger is a 'blade' trigger. Those styles of triggers include all the different single edged shapes(CP rake, Techna Trigger finger job, Techna Trigger scythe/wave, CP slingblade, CP Swoop Trigger, etc)

Double Triggers Id hope are self explanatory.

That may be true. How it feels has nothing to do with how triggers are classified. Here is the classification tree:

Highest Classification: Single Trigger(all triggers that are 1 finger) vs. Double Trigger(all triggers that are 2 finger)
Subset of Double Triggers: Blade Triggers(All Single edged triggers), Double Triggers(All Double edged triggers)
Subset of Blade Triggers: Blade Style(as youve suggested), Scythe/Wave Style, Swoop style, etc

Note: I am using the first subset. You are arguing the second subset. In this case, the guy who started the poll has asked to choose based on LOOKS. The difference in LOOKS between a blade and double triggers. Check the poll. He didnt ask for the next subset, the differences between the blade styles of triggers

Whose classifications are these? Yours? What do you consider an "edge"? I define it as a curve along which a finger is meant to actuate the trigger. Blade triggers have one (convex or concave), wave/scythe triggers have two (convex and concave), as do double triggers (concave and concave).

Distances, wrist angles among other things are all individual and therefore subjective. How a user shoots, whether with one finger or two, the size of their fingers, hands, the style of the frame they use(vert, 45, hybrid, Y-Grip, Z-Grip) will be different from user to user. Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how triggers are classified.

[Anjin3515]

Maybe I should also be asking....who has triggers for the Mag...

I see AGD,RPG and Tuna.....are there others (that are in still in production) ??