What style of trigger do you prefer?

[RogueFactor]

Sigh. I will do your homework exactly once in this thread.

http://www.army.com/articles/item/1958

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:c7bcd2sXpd0J:www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D163094+%22trigger+feel%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.springerprecision.com/reviews.asp

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=59582

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/371272-1.html

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050246932.html

Ad infinitum ...



As do you.

Still waiting for the link with the term 'trigger feel' used as an idiom in the context of "tangible properties" as youve defined it.

As theyve been presented above, they are used in context as to the feel of the individual user. Which follows the textbook definiton of the word.

K, thanks.

[drg]

The only person that makes that determination in this case is the OP. And he has found this info informative, regardless of your position.

Can your ego allow you to admit that he also explicitly said he has found our information useful as well?

The only distraction and misinformation is that which you have presented in an attempt to appear educated on the subject.

Please. I am not the one trying to assert that for purposes of preference the straight blade and compound curve triggers belong in the same category. Your sales figures, while helpful in a general sense -- and impressive to the self-admitted noob OP -- amount to little in the big picture of trigger preferences. The AGD market is a very small pond and the choices are very limited. They also mean little in the very specific case of the OP's ultimate trigger preferences.

Ludicrous I say!

Nah, ludicrous is having a discussion with someone who wants to define their words with their own dictionary or hide behind their fallacies with idioms.

Straw man much? Question is, if you truly believe that, then why do it?

Are you going to address what I actually said rather than the words making up what I said?

There is little need to assert or chime in. As Ive already stated...

Can your ego allow you to leave it at that, or do you need the last word again?

[drg]

Still waiting for the link with the term 'trigger feel' used as an idiom in the context of "tangible properties" as youve defined it.

As theyve been presented above, they are used in context as to the feel of the individual user. Which follows the textbook definiton of the word.

K, thanks.

Honestly, do you find covering your ears and yelling "lalalala!" to be an effective argument often?

Every one of those quotes, particularly the first one, speaks of trigger feel as an aspect of the gun's physical character. Whether the person likes the trigger feel or not is subjective, however that does not change the physical feel of the trigger.

That you can stare at a statemenet like "Every rifle is different, and each one has a different trigger feel and pull." and say the person is not saying the trigger pull is an aspect of the weapon .... is ... well, I'd say mystifying but it's probably just disingenuous. It is also against what basic English grammar tells us.

Perception springs from physical reality (in normal persons), so the physical and metaphysical definitions of "feel" (as pertains to triggers) are inexorably linked regardless.

If you were to press a person who liked the "feel" of a certain trigger for reasons "why" -- almost always that person could identify measurable, concrete aspects of the trigger's action as contributing to this perception -- it's shorter, it's lighter, it's less fatiguing (geometrically more compatible), it's faster.

[going_home]

Global Warming is a farce

Lets see DRG and RF go on that one a while .

Wheres Army at anyways ?

[MedicDVG]

Army and I are over here in Iraq where it is safe from you guys..

Jeesh... ask a simple question and the whole forum starts the Strategic Summit on Triggers with a report of the sub committee on style and a working task memorandum on feel backed up by research into military and firearms by way of background justification.

hmmmm you guys should work for Uncle... you would fit right in.

[Anjin3515]

I respect and value the opinion of Rogue as both a user and his unique viewpoint as a manufacture. Especially as a manufacture of one of the popular mech Mag triggers. So yes I do take what he says with a little more weight.

I respect and value the opinion of drg, he has brought up useful information and pointed out things that I had no knowledge of, or may have never thought to look into.

I thank you both.

But please....there is no need to argue over a trigger.

We are all people passionate about Mags and paintball...were on the "same team". ...I do think Rogue and drg are at an impasse and cant find common ground. Thats ok. Its alright to disagree. But there is little point now in the continuation of said impasse. I think as Rogue put it....you two should agree to disagree.

But fear not..both of you have added value and knowledge to my endeavor......and yes I am trying to moderate my own post and calm everyone down a little...as i said in the long run we are all "on the same team"

I put up the poll so I could gather information, and learn somethings. I like to do research before i dive into something. Everyone here has helped....even Moemag (just razzin you man)

I for my part should have been more clear with my wording and intentions for the poll. Something I have now learned for future posts.

[Anjin3515]

Ok, well I hope this doesnt muddie the waters then.

If I had to choose a trigger off the internet(like you), Id choose the ViperBlade(based on looks). Having used both the Viper and Splinter though, Id choose the Splinter based on feel. The edge of a Viperblade has a hard edge, the edge of the Splinter trigger is scalloped. For me, this makes the Splinter a more comfortable trigger.

Ive had my opinion asked of the 2 triggers many times, and Ive always answered it that way.

The one thing that ClassicMagger said that was true, was the hump on the Splinter is as minimal as it can be while being a double trigger. ClassicMagger prefers blade triggers, but loves the Splinter---which is why he wants to consider the Splinter more of a blade trigger(or hybrid).

See here I find a interesting bit of knowledge based on the fact Rogue is a manufacture....
He stated above that "Most mag users choose blade style triggers(whether that be a scythe or not) over double triggers. The selling ratio of the ViperBlade vs Splinter Pro is 5:1."

However he also says his preference is the Splinter trigger. He has assess to raw data on what people prefer....but he himself seems to prefer something other then the majority.

That to me is interesting.....

[Pneumagger]

I chose "other" simply because when I get home from the field i hand carve all my triggers from bones of defeated enemies.
It's a male dominance thing.

Edit: if it's any help to you, I like to make mine like the RPG Viperblade Pro.

[MANN]

Lets see DRG and RF go on that one a while .

Wheres Army at anyways ?

Actually global warming is teh troof. Monday it was 90*F, and Today it is going to be a whopping 91*F.

BTW college football starts today, and that means you can start drinking at 9am again. GO VOLS

[drg]

I respect and value the opinion of Rogue as both a user and his unique viewpoint as a manufacture. Especially as a manufacture of one of the popular mech Mag triggers. So yes I do take what he says with a little more weight.

I respect and value the opinion of drg, he has brought up useful information and pointed out things that I had no knowledge of, or may have never thought to look into.

I thank you both.

But please....there is no need to argue over a trigger.

We are all people passionate about Mags and paintball...were on the "same team". ...I do think Rogue and drg are at an impasse and cant find common ground. Thats ok. Its alright to disagree. But there is little point now in the continuation of said impasse. I think as Rogue put it....you two should agree to disagree.

But fear not..both of you have added value and knowledge to my endeavor......and yes I am trying to moderate my own post and calm everyone down a little...as i said in the long run we are all "on the same team"

I put up the poll so I could gather information, and learn somethings. I like to do research before i dive into something. Everyone here has helped....even Moemag (just razzin you man)

I for my part should have been more clear with my wording and intentions for the poll. Something I have now learned for future posts.

I'm sorry it has devolved as such but I have never seen Rogue concede a point in any discussion I have seen him take part in. As I'm not inclined to do the same, I guess the result was inevitable.

My only intent was to make sure you knew that the two triggers you have grouped under "blade" triggers are indeed very different, no matter what classification system you use. You will surely find a much less agreement among users of those two types of triggers than when pitting those two grouped together against double triggers or a vague "other" ...

[frischtr]

I'm happy with my Fireblade, so I voted other...

[warbeak2099]

If scythes and blades were the same type of trigger, then they would be the same shape. IMO triggers should be grouped by their shape and feel. Scythes are a different shape than straight blade triggers. Blade triggers are flat and straight, scythes are fluidly bent. Saying they are the same shape is like saying a square has the same shape as a circle.

[RogueFactor]

See here I find a interesting bit of knowledge based on the fact Rogue is a manufacture....
He stated above that "Most mag users choose blade style triggers(whether that be a scythe or not) over double triggers. The selling ratio of the ViperBlade vs Splinter Pro is 5:1."

However he also says his preference is the Splinter trigger. He has assess to raw data on what people prefer....but he himself seems to prefer something other then the majority.

That to me is interesting.....

Consider this then...Those who have had the chance to use both the ViperBlade and Splinter Trigger have chosen the Splinter as often as the ViperBlade. So the 5:1 ratio diminishes to 2:1-1:1 when the user gets the chance to use and feel both triggers.

I like both triggers. I choose the ViperBlade based on looks, the Splinter based on feel.

If scythes and blades were the same type of trigger, then they would be the same shape. IMO triggers should be grouped by their shape and feel. Scythes are a different shape than straight blade triggers. Blade triggers are flat and straight, scythes are fluidly bent. Saying they are the same shape is like saying a square has the same shape as a circle.

Triggers, like most everything else, are classified from general to specific. Had Anjin chosen a Double trigger, the difference between blade triggers wouldnt matter.

[sup909]

Single Actually

You know, I have used double and blade triggers and all that, and it is probably just me but I never really was able to fire very fast with them.

I just could never get my fingers moving fast enough to rattle off 15+ balls per second. Never have been a particularly good speedballer. In the end I just alike the single as it fits more nicely with my hand, considering I am not putting out the rate of paint anyway.

[Anjin3515]

I'm sorry it has devolved as such but I have never seen Rogue concede a point in any discussion I have seen him take part in. As I'm not inclined to do the same, I guess the result was inevitable.

My only intent was to make sure you knew that the two triggers you have grouped under "blade" triggers are indeed very different, no matter what classification system you use. You will surely find a much less agreement among users of those two types of triggers than when pitting those two grouped together against double triggers or a vague "other" ...

I am glad you participated....I have gained new knowledge from what you have expressed. Until now I didn't even know there was a Scythe style. Its good to know that.