How does Bob Long fit in the great conspiracy?

[Spider-TW]

That's not really the same thing. Tarus licenses the designs and in some cases purchases the tooling from the parent company.

I thought I remembered seeing a patent reference on their Beretta clone, but its been too long.


Is it too ugly to ask where Dye fits in? With all of the marketing and with the proto and matrix markers, I have the impression that Dye is kind of a sales front, kind of like NPS?

[y0da900]

Is it too ugly to ask where Dye fits in? With all of the marketing and with the proto and matrix markers, I have the impression that Dye is kind of a sales front, kind of like NPS?

DYE holds the Omega patent, which allows for the isolation of a dump chamber via means of the bolt acting as an additional spool valve. Tail o-ring on a Matrix. The issue with the patent is when SP made the HE bolt for shockers, which also used an o-ring on the bolt to isolate the dump chamber from the air supply (essentially a Matrix with a different layout). Same with the bolt tail mod on an Ion, which is cutting an additional o-ring groove into the bolt tail face side of the original, this cuts off the air, and is crucial in a mechanical Ion conversion. Now DYE gets to make electros, and SP gets to keep making products that use the bolt to isolate the dump chamber from the supply air via a spooling method.

[Pneumagger]

I thought I remembered seeing a patent reference on their Beretta clone, but its been too long.

Taurus even went so far as to procure the machines Beretta used to manufacture the 92 models. I don't mean they use the same kind of machines Beretta was using... they are using the actual individual machines Beretta used.

[Spider-TW]

Taurus even went so far as to procure the machines Beretta used to manufacture the 92 models. I don't mean they use the same kind of machines Beretta was using... they are using the actual individual machines Beretta used.

Well, that makes that clone a lot less impressive, engineering-wise...

DYE holds the Omega patent, which allows for the isolation of a dump chamber via means of the bolt acting as an additional spool valve. Tail o-ring on a Matrix. The issue with the patent is when SP made the HE bolt for shockers, which also used an o-ring on the bolt to isolate the dump chamber from the air supply (essentially a Matrix with a different layout). Same with the bolt tail mod on an Ion, which is cutting an additional o-ring groove into the bolt tail face side of the original, this cuts off the air, and is crucial in a mechanical Ion conversion. Now DYE gets to make electros, and SP gets to keep making products that use the bolt to isolate the dump chamber from the supply air via a spooling method.

Is that where the BLAST Marq deviates with its 'in-line poppet' design?

[CKY_Alliance]

Not quite. The patent restricts U.S. companies from manufacturing/building/making guns which fire using an electronic switch. PE is not a U.S. company nor is it making it's guns in the U.S. It would be super expensive, time consuming, and a waste for SP to sue PE. They tried it with WDP, another British company. Other factors caused them to lose the case, but they saw how expensive and foolish an international suit was.

I don't know if it matters but PE gun's technically don't use swtiches, they use an optical eye.Now they may still consider this an electronic swtich, depends on how literal it is. I don't know, but that could be one reason PE is safe.

[warbeak2099]

Lohman, I said that they won for different reasons. But suing a European company is much more complicated and time consuming. I'm not sure if SP would want to do it again.

As for the optical switches, they are still switches.

[nmib]

Personally I dont support BL products. They are local, his son Zack is a ok guy. Zack will at least say hello to you when you enter the store but Bob and Jon are not pleasant people to deal with. Thats about nice as I can put before tripping the swear filter.

But that does raise interesting questions, maybe I can catch Zack on a good day and ask him. There is a kill BBQ place next door to there shop, so Im over in that area once a month.

[Spider-TW]

Thanks for all the info guys. It fills in the gap between the demise of the old companies and the current selection of electros. I kept reading about all the legal 'activities' and seeing lots of electros that are all very similar, like the Viking, Cyborg, and Intimidator.

You look at some of the other designs and only value you can see in them is that they are different enough to (try to) avoid a patent infringement.


Thanks!

[custar]

Just an FYI, SP sued WDP in the U.S. The decision is very interesting.

custar

[y0da900]

Is that where the BLAST Marq deviates with its 'in-line poppet' design?

No, the Marq is not a spool valve or a dump chamber.

[Spider-TW]

No, the Marq is not a spool valve or a dump chamber.

Right, it's a poppet...

but you're saying that not only is the main valve different, but it does not use a dump chamber. (?)

I guess I'm really just wondering if changing that main valve from one type to the other is enough to avoid an infringement. But that may have to do with how the patent was written.

The mini looks like a spool set up from the manual, and looking at the Marq manual they look pretty similar except for the main valve. This whole thing is a good study of how to do the same thing different ways.

[LK-13]

Not quite. The patent restricts U.S. companies from manufacturing/building/making guns which fire using an electronic switch. PE is not a U.S. company nor is it making it's guns in the U.S. It would be super expensive, time consuming, and a waste for SP to sue PE. They tried it with WDP, another British company. Other factors caused them to lose the case, but they saw how expensive and foolish an international suit was.

so would you be able to produce the guns which fire using an electronic switch in Canada
and side step the patent issues that way?

[custar]

They couldn't be sold in the U.S.

custar