Cockers r00l!!1!

[ThePixelGuru]

I like both - I used to have an e-cocker but I sold it to buy another 'mag. I like mechs more anyway, though. There was a kid at the field I used to run who could get a good 10bps easy out of his mech 'cocker, and more if he really tried. That was pretty amazing. I was reffing the first game of the day and I couldn't figure out who had the electro because I didn't see anyone walk on with one.

Still, I prefer the feel of the 'mag trigger over the 'cocker one. That and the sleeker single-tube design are why I'm a 'mag guy. All preference, though.

[nate2k191]

its a good rivalry, even though i've never owned a cocker i want one, but now i have too many mags and can't justify buying another marker

too bad, i really want a karni, so quiet

[senghing27]

I own a phantom

/end thread

[nate2k191]

I own a phantom

/end thread

me too, forgot to mention that. (another reason i can't get a cocker)

/end thead x2

[zipity_Bop]

we got firms like in green street hooligans.....

we fight at every major event

[bryceeden]

Cockers are good markers and are reliable if people set and forget instead of constantly tuning and tinkering. But resale value on them sucks bad. Mags on the other hand are always reliable and have awsome resale. Mags are capable of higher rates of fire, but hey cockers shoot further right

[lew]

I like to keep the debate (not really a debate, since Cockers due indeed rule) going.

Truth be told, I like 'em both, but I'm much more comfortable with a Cocker in my hands.

[DeTrevni]

Losing consistency on high rates of fire seems like shootdown. Was your LPR set too low? Or the HPR? I haven't had that problem before. Maybe the ram needed to be QEV'd.

As for the price, it appears you spent all your money on neat, but unnecessary gizmo's (though it does look GREAT). You can ZeroB an E1, put it on a stock body you midded or halfed yourself, upgrade the pneus, respring the gun and have it perform its peak for about as much as an X-Valved Mag. ESPECIALLY with cockers' resale value nowadays, so that would be a bonus. If you wanted to, a new MQ valve is out, and they are only $125. Plus, I think resale isn't a valid point in this argument, as if you're so loyal to your marker, you'd only sell it to get another one! :P

Also, the mag market is still dying, where the cocker market, while also dying, is way more plentiful. Not to mention, WGP/K2 is coming out with yet another line. Outside of here and MCB, it's rather hard to find Mag parts.

On mags' defense, I really do love the way an E-Mag looks, and the single tube layout is cool. Plus, being modular is always a good thing.

While I stand by my cocker, I will admit I do want to build a mag again.

[Ruler_Mark]

Losing consistency on high rates of fire seems like shootdown. Was your LPR set too low? Or the HPR? I haven't had that problem before. Maybe the ram needed to be QEV'd.

As for the price, it appears you spent all your money on neat, but unnecessary gizmo's (though it does look GREAT). You can ZeroB an E1, put it on a stock body you midded or halfed yourself, upgrade the pneus, respring the gun and have it perform its peak for about as much as an X-Valved Mag. ESPECIALLY with cockers' resale value nowadays, so that would be a bonus. If you wanted to, a new MQ valve is out, and they are only $125. Plus, I think resale isn't a valid point in this argument, as if you're so loyal to your marker, you'd only sell it to get another one! :P

Also, the mag market is still dying, where the cocker market, while also dying, is way more plentiful. Not to mention, WGP/K2 is coming out with yet another line. Outside of here and MCB, it's rather hard to find Mag parts.

On mags' defense, I really do love the way an E-Mag looks, and the single tube layout is cool. Plus, being modular is always a good thing.

While I stand by my cocker, I will admit I do want to build a mag again.

Losing consistency on high rates of fire seems like shootdown. Was your LPR set too low? Or the HPR? I haven't had that problem before. Maybe the ram needed to be QEV'd.


If you known me you know i wouldnt make simple mistakes,, It was fine but when you hit high rates of fire in any cocker like above 15 you run into problems.

[DeTrevni]

I didn't mean any offense, just throwing things out there.

[Zone Drifter]

I did own a 98 cocker for a while, and honestly i liked it alot, but it did need some work and I just didnt feel like spending more money on it. That, and i have way too many guns as it is, so i sold it. If i could get a really good deal on another mechanical one, i might go for it.

[DeTrevni]

Define a good deal. '04 Prostocks are going for $89 new on Action Village.

[drg]

Started with a mag, moved to cockers, built my own personal ultimate cocker (mq turtle) and that's my primary semi. Recently got back into mags with a pneumag which is actually a touch faster than my cocker, but in the end I prefer my cocker and, especially, my sniper.

The resale value thing doesn't really prove anything other than market forces and supply vs demand.

As for the rivalry, I remember writing my thoughts on a Web page somewhere around 1999 ... I think then as it has continued up to now, I find the cocker tinkerability/tunability the reason i DO like cockers.

[drg]

when you hit high rates of fire in any cocker like above 15 you run into problems.

Speak for yourself ... many cockers have proven otherwise.

[Ruler_Mark]

Speak for yourself ... many cockers have proven otherwise.

never said it was impossible. just stuff that the average user could not do one thier own. I've re-programmed my beast of a cocker That it'ssecond nature to-do it when i go chrono in when i play. Before i 1/2'd one of my previous cockers i cranked the lpr and everything spring kitetc, i wasable to hit 16 on semi without shootdown but it raped my tank. To have a cocker exceed 15 bps without shootdown and mantain good effiency is all about tuning. Something that takes lots of time and air and paint. All of which arent very cheap. A mag can shoot thoose bps without any hours - days of tuning or aftermarket enhancements. that was thepoint i was trying to drive. Not saying it is impossible or has not been attained before.