rental advice

**kruger** · 10-30-2007, 07:56 PM

A5? We use 98's at my field and really dont have a problem with chopps at all. Gravity feeds are ok for these guns. Your really cant walk a tippmann 98 so the feed rate is just fine. What I have found is that if you go "too cheap" on the field paint, then you do run into lots of problems with breaks. The really cheap paint is rarely round, mostly football shaped or dimpled. For field grade paint we use Hotbox, and for those that really care what they shoot, we use Xball Bronze, and have for over a year now. Try using a different grade of paint before you sink a bunch of money in more markers.

And for field rentals, I would NOT get Electros. Think of the problems that you would have trying to keep that many batteries on hand

**going_home** · 10-30-2007, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by bryceeden

I need some advice. I need to find some good rental markers, I have used Tippmann 98s and for several reasons they just didn't work out at all. I've been using the Spyder extra and it would work great but they keep breaking a ton of paint due to the gravity fed hoppers and people shooting too fast with the double trigger or something. I need something else. I'm considering getting automag proclassics with single triggers but I'd rather not spend that much if I don't have to. So the question I have is what are some good rentals you've seen that are still available? What I'm looking for is something easy to clean, low maintenace, reasonably idiot proof, not prone to chopping paint, and just a good all around rental. What are some suggestions? I don't really want to go electro but I guess it could be an option. What do you all think?

If you are going to buy in quantity, call AGD.
I'd bet they would give some pretty good discounts for larger quantities.
See what their rock bottom is before you give up on them.

Other than that start buying up older used ICD markers.
Alley Cats, Thunder Cats, etc. They are real good.

**bryceeden** · 10-30-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by kruger

A5? We use 98's at my field and really dont have a problem with chopps at all. Gravity feeds are ok for these guns. Your really cant walk a tippmann 98 so the feed rate is just fine. What I have found is that if you go "too cheap" on the field paint, then you do run into lots of problems with breaks. The really cheap paint is rarely round, mostly football shaped or dimpled. For field grade paint we use Hotbox, and for those that really care what they shoot, we use Xball Bronze, and have for over a year now. Try using a different grade of paint before you sink a bunch of money in more markers.

Paint is not the problem, I've tried Cryptic, Stinger, Proball platinum, Chronic, All Star, Combat 68, and Evil and had the same problem.

I plan to call AGD in the morning but I really don't want to spend more than $150 if possible and deffinatly not more than $200. I'm also not real keen on buying used markers for it.

I guess I could use Phantoms then rate of fire won't be an issue

**kruger** · 10-30-2007, 08:03 PM

Is the problem in the barrels or in the breech where the breaks are happening?

**bryceeden** · 10-30-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by kruger

Is the problem in the barrels or in the breech where the breaks are happening?

Seems to be the breech.

**Freebird** · 10-30-2007, 08:08 PM

a field near mine just picked up a bunch of BT markers, basiclly tippmann knock offs. Seem to work well. We have ion rentals, and 98C rentals

**bryceeden** · 10-30-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Freebird

a field near mine just picked up a bunch of BT markers, basiclly tippmann knock offs. Seem to work well. We have ion rentals, and 98C rentals

I've used the BTs but they seemed to break down rather fast. I just dont trust Ions given the number I've sold and how many of them still work.

**kruger** · 10-30-2007, 08:09 PM

OK, then instead of buying a bunch of new markers, then why not get a bunch of agitated hoppers for the rentals? Much cheaper than new markers. Also, there is a cyclone attachment that you can get for the 98. If you have a bunch of them, then tippmann may give you a break on the price if you buy in quantity. You would still have the battery issue to deal with, but it is a business expense.

Also, I am curious about this. Is the problem with just anybody that comes up and plays, or is it regulars that come all the time, but use the rental equipment and dont have their own stuff?

**bryceeden** · 10-30-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by kruger

OK, then instead of buying a bunch of new markers, then why not get a bunch of agitated hoppers for the rentals? Much cheaper than new markers. Also, there is a cyclone attachment that you can get for the 98. If you have a bunch of them, then tippmann may give you a break on the price if you buy in quantity. You would still have the battery issue to deal with, but it is a business expense.

Also, I am curious about this. Is the problem with just anybody that comes up and plays, or is it regulars that come all the time, but use the rental equipment and dont have their own stuff?

The problem seems to be pretty univesal, which is funny because when I go out and use my rentals I never have any problems and never break a ball using the gravity fed hoppers.

Tippmann just haven't worked for me well in the past and they are a pain to clean when the time comes. If I could Cyclone my Spyders I'd be set. I'm also considering getting electronic hoppers but I'm not 100% sure that that would fix the problem so I'm hesitant to make the investment. These Extras are fairly new and I've never had chopping problems with any other markers I've used as rentals so I'm not sure its the hoppers.

I briefly thought of using the Prostock Autocockers that are being liquidadted for very cheap but I see alot of potential for problems there. The Pro Classic seems like a great option but they're just so pricey, if I could get them cheaper then there would be no contest but I do have to look at the price part of things as well. But if I used the Pro Classics then maybe my mag sales would reapear some too which I would love to see.

**Freebird** · 10-30-2007, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by bryceeden

I've used the BTs but they seemed to break down rather fast. I just dont trust Ions given the number I've sold and how many of them still work.

yea i hate the ions too, im fixing them more than im renting them out, and the lack of a simple saftey throws people off. go with the trusty pro carbine if you can still find a bunch, tippman stopped production, but in my opinion they were more reliable and easier to clean than the 98 or A5

**kruger** · 10-30-2007, 08:23 PM

OK. One more question for you. I have, in the past had problems with breaks in the breech. And, it usually is with the newer players. What they would do is pick up balls that had been shot at them and put them in the hoppers. Then when these balls would reach the gun, they would break. Dirt and grass was the culprit with this problem. You notice any debris in the breech when they break? Little tufts of grass or dirt?

**kruger** · 10-30-2007, 08:26 PM

A thing to keep in mind is that tippmann quit making parts for the pro carbine. We had/have a bunch of them and slowly phased them out because the parts were getting harder to find. Now all we have is the 98's, about 40 of them.

**bryceeden** · 10-30-2007, 08:30 PM

I thought it was a used paint off the ground problem at first, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I do get alot back with crud in them but just as many without. To test the theory I watched people one day all day with the rentals and they wern't using paint off the ground and it was still breaking. I think some of it may have to do with players holding the markers crooked which gravity fed hoppers don't like but even when I tell them not to do so the markers still comeback full of goo more than half the time.

I'm not willing to get used or discontinued markers strictly due to the inevitable problems that arize with that. The 98s would have worked under better more controlled circomstances but those aren't available to me. The problem I have is I don't own a field(hopefully I'll have that fixed buy next summer), people rent my markers and take them out in the woods or desert to play. I kept finding my 98s in pawn shops, police found them in the back seats of cars they pulled over for various offences, and a slew of other problems. I do get credit card info from people but I can't run it and charge them for some time after the rentals were due back or I run into legal issues. The problem is truthfully 98s are so popular that people keep them and its hard to prove that the ones in pawn shops and such are mine due to the popularity of the marker. 98s are very hard to take apart and clean and sooner or later you get the one stripped screw that really causes headaches. Plus it seems like when one 98 finnally decides its done and dies all its friends decide the same thing, they never die off one at a time.

**Freebird** · 10-30-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by kruger

A thing to keep in mind is that tippmann quit making parts for the pro carbine. We had/have a bunch of them and slowly phased them out because the parts were getting harder to find. Now all we have is the 98's, about 40 of them.

ahhh forgot about that aspect. still i dont know why tippmann stopped that production line, it was a QUALITY marker that could take the beating.

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