Best Mods for a Tac-One Mag

[kcraiglaxfl]

I'm looking for some assistance in maximizing the effectiveness of my Tacone. This is what I have thus far:

• Freak barrel Kit
• Halo B loader (getting a Qloader also)
• X Valve
• Longbow Kit (using my tacone as a Q bow once everything comes in).

I mainly want to increase the effectivve range and accuracy. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was looking for an electronic trigger option, however AGD does not seem to be offering them currently.

[snoopay700]

I'm looking for some assistance in maximizing the effectiveness of my Tacone. This is what I have thus far:

• Freak barrel Kit
• Halo B loader (getting a Qloader also)
• X Valve
• Longbow Kit (using my tacone as a Q bow once everything comes in).

I mainly want to increase the effectivve range and accuracy. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was looking for an electronic trigger option, however AGD does not seem to be offering them currently.

An electric trigger will not help range, in all actuality, nothing will improve your range short of upping the velocity. If you have two guns firing at the same velocity with the same barrel, no matter what set up they will go the same range, so there is no way to increase range, all markers have the same range.

As for accuracy, that depends on the barrel, and i find that a barrel with one ID down the length (no two step barrel) provides the best accuracy, so basically if you want to match paint to your bore size and have really good accuracy you would need 5 different barrels, not 5 different backs.

[tribalman]

I'm looking for some assistance in maximizing the effectiveness of my Tacone. This is what I have thus far:

• Freak barrel Kit
• Halo B loader (getting a Qloader also)
• X Valve
• Longbow Kit (using my tacone as a Q bow once everything comes in).

I mainly want to increase the effectivve range and accuracy. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was looking for an electronic trigger option, however AGD does not seem to be offering them currently.

increase range? nope. only thing to do is unsafely play by upping your velocity, which shouldn't be easy to do. /hates tippys with thumb adjusters

best mods for the tac-one are as follows, barrel, tank, paint.
barrel and paint go semi hand-and-hand. a good paint to barrel match helps a ton, as does having the paint being the same size.
and the tank, if the tank cannot handle you doing 10bps without shootdown your accuracy will be garbage. only mods you will need for the tac.

[ljpiller]

The best thing you can do to improve your accuracy is to just use your marker. The more familiar you are with something the better you can be with it. Once you have things how you like it and are done changing things around, take the time to do some target practice. Learn how your marker fires and what it shoots like. That's when you will notice the biggest improvement in accuracy.

As for increasing range, that too comes down to how well you know your marker. Just "arc up" to shoot further - the more familiar you are with your setup the better you can gauge how much to arc.

[snoopay700]

increase range? nope. only thing to do is unsafely play by upping your velocity, which shouldn't be easy to do. /hates tippys with thumb adjusters

best mods for the tac-one are as follows, barrel, tank, paint.
barrel and paint go semi hand-and-hand. a good paint to barrel match helps a ton, as does having the paint being the same size.
and the tank, if the tank cannot handle you doing 10bps without shootdown your accuracy will be garbage. only mods you will need for the tac.

Well matching paint only works if you have 5 different barrels, simple barrel backs won't work as when you use a smaller back then it will bounce around the second half of the barrel.

If the barrel is too big, the ball ricochets back and forth down the tube. We used to say it looked like Zebra stripes in there. Hence big barrels do NOT create an "air bearing". Barrels that are too small scrape most of the powder off and this creates excessive FRICTION. Tighter barrels that were too long were found to slow the balls down due to this friction. In other words, when you cut these barrels down, velocity went up. Remember the 8-10" acceleration distance, these barrels were 14" long and unported.

The best paint barrel match left two 1/8" wide streaks opposite each other down the barrel. The widest part of a paintball is usually the seam which is also called the equator. With a proper size match only the balls equator touches the barrel snugly on two points. The equator tends not to align itself so the entire seam touches the barrel hence you only get two points touching. So what is happening here that makes this so desirable? We all know paintballs vary in size, this means that there will be slightly more or less friction on the ball depending on how tightly it fits in the barrel. If you use too tight a bore that touches the ball all around, trying to squeeze a bigger ball in greatly increases the friction and changes your velocity. By having the barrel sized to only touch two points, bigger or smaller balls only increase the contact patch a small amount and this gives you better shot to shot CONSISTENCY. To large a bore solves the friction problem but you get back to the ricochet effect.

So this is the story behind proper paint/barrel match. Many of you have commented that the stock barrels seem to work about as good as custom barrels. This is because todays paint is so much more consistent than 10 years ago that the difference between barrels is much diminished. Even the biggest to the smallest barrels don't product that much difference in accuracy IF YOU ONLY COUNT THE SHOTS AT THE SAME VELOCITY. So there you have it, I should mention these studies were done in the early to mid nineties, we have not done any testing lately on two piece barrels etc.

[maniacmechanic]

Well matching paint only works if you have 5 different barrels, simple barrel backs won't work as when you use a smaller back then it will bounce around the second half of the barrel.

Unless you have done the same testing with your barrel that Tom has done , what are you talking about ? If you stick with 1 barrel sometimes your accuracy will be fine sometimes it will suck , what happens when you have a .693 barrel & the field paint is a . 683
Also in Tom statment that you quoted " I should mention these studies were done in the early to mid nineties, we have not done any testing lately on two piece barrels etc. "
No two piece barrel testing ??

But really I THINK ( just my opinion ) barrel kits work , I've have 3 different types of barrel kits & I THINK all work well , I do prefer 1 over the other but that is just me
For more info check out MANN's tests http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212077

[snoopay700]

Unless you have done the same testing with your barrel that Tom has done , what are you talking about ? If you stick with 1 barrel sometimes your accuracy will be fine sometimes it will suck , what happens when you have a .693 barrel & the field paint is a . 683
Also in Tom statment that you quoted " I should mention these studies were done in the early to mid nineties, we have not done any testing lately on two piece barrels etc. "
No two piece barrel testing ??

But really I THINK ( just my opinion ) barrel kits work , I've have 3 different types of barrel kits & I THINK all work well , I do prefer 1 over the other but that is just me
For more info check out MANN's tests http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212077

He wants to maximize his accuracy, so i said that to do that he would need 5 barrels, as, unless i'm remembering wrong, it has been shown that two step barrels tend to make the ball bounce around in the second half since it's larger so that any size of paint will fit through it, and although this isn't much and it doesn't effect accuracy that much, it still does. Now then i don't know what size barrel i have, it's whatever the stock mag barrel (the twist lock on) has, although it is equally accurate with all sizes of paint that i have used (and i mean being able to hit someone hiding behind two barrels with a gap of 2 or 3 inches at about 50 or more feet within 2 shots shot in quick succession) so in my experience as long as it's one barrel id down the length it's accurate, where as i've shot guns with two step barrels and they weren't quite as good, but again, this is my experience, you can feel free to dispute it.

[snoopay700]

About the longbow:

Well i admit i don't know about the stock, i've just heard it's not the best for sighting down the gun. As for the barrel, it is longer and therefore inefficient, just like a short one is inefficient (like what i have). I'm not knocking it, i'm just saying it's overhyped because it doesn't increase your accuracy any as i have shot better with my short barrel than i have with some long ones.

All i'm saying is that the barrel makes the gun worse on gas (which is a fact) and that it doesn't increase accuracy as my 8 inch barrel is more accurate than some longer barrels, but that's not to say that the longbow has worse accuracy.

EDIT: I almost forgot, the longbow also doesn't increase your range, and if you're going to tell me that the longbow negates the laws of physics, then i believe our conversation will have to be over.

[Chris_automag_07]

now is tacone pronounced (tAk-on-A) ? or are you referring to the AGD Tac One?

[snoopay700]

not worth it just the way the stone drops

What's not worth it? i simply said it doesn't make it a more accurate barrel because it's longer, it could still be an accurate barrel, it's just not more accurate than a shorter one.

As for your other claim, if you were shooting at 280 fps and they were shooting at 280 fps, you both would have the same range, no way around it, velocity=distance/time, so if you have the same velocity then that means you can both shoot the same distance, meaning that you have the same range, simple physics.

[kcraiglaxfl]

first of all unless you have used either item ur thoughts on this are complete bs.... i busted 18 people yesterday in the head and was'nt legally hit all day not one death 9 hours of senario play yet they're balls couldn't reach me as to accuracy its a freak back you retard the barrel is one of the best on the market unless your to cheap and keep the all american back which is still a good barrel.... the longbow is a great gun if you switch to a single trigger frame and switch out the valve for a regular one with a lil dremmel work to the shroud you can get back around 270 in cash selling them off ... i have owned 4 longbows made one for a gf then we broke up what a shame llol that i kept the gun at my house but alas im making a 5th as we speak ....... btw im a ghost sniper and have played paintball since the spaltmasters ......

I am interested in more info about the long bow set up that you mentioned.

[snoopay700]

I am interested in more info about the long bow set up that you mentioned.

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/articles/specops_longbow.asp

Basically it's a stock, a magazine, and a really long barrel that's ported and isn't the best on gas, like my short barrel. If you want efficiency i would go with an 8-10 inch barrel with your gun. Other than that i don't have a problem with the longbow, but i wouldn't use it.

EDIT: REading up on it again, i just realized i do have a problem with it, they're full of crap, they said that the barrel isn't a huge part of the accuracy, but that's one of the most important factors that comes into accuracy. And as for the sighting thing, you can sight to the left or right of the vert feed tube and hit things just as effectively. The only thing it offers is a lower profile, but the q-loader is much better for that, and i find that using the tank as a stock is a much better stance to shoot from. But hey, it's your money, do what you want.

[kcraiglaxfl]

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/a...ps_longbow.asp

Basically it's a stock, a magazine, and a really long barrel that's ported and isn't the best on gas, like my short barrel. If you want efficiency i would go with an 8-10 inch barrel with your gun. Other than that i don't have a problem with the longbow, but i wouldn't use it.

EDIT: REading up on it again, i just realized i do have a problem with it, they're full of crap, they said that the barrel isn't a huge part of the accuracy, but that's one of the most important factors that comes into accuracy. And as for the sighting thing, you can sight to the left or right of the vert feed tube and hit things just as effectively. The only thing it offers is a lower profile, but the q-loader is much better for that, and i find that using the tank as a stock is a much better stance to shoot from. But hey, it's your money, do what you want.

For woodsball, I prefer to lay prone and shoot from a covered position, much like a sniper. I would not use the longbow set up as an assult marker. For that I'd strip the longbow components off and keep it short and agile.

[snoopay700]

For woodsball, I prefer to lay prone and shoot from a covered position, much like a sniper. I would not use the longbow set up as an assult marker. For that I'd strip the longbow components off and keep it short and agile.

The thing i'm saying is that you can do all that without that stuff, all you need is a q-loader, use your tank as a stock as it's a much better one, and a longer barrel will not help you get any distance or any more accurate than an equivalent short barrel. The only think you really need from that site is the stock, but i dont' think you could sight behind the marker as well.

[maniacmechanic]

Criag , so welcome to AO , it is not allways like this , but sometimes when blanket statements are made folks react , the honest answer is do you like your set up ? does it work well for you ? accuracy in paint ball is not a perfect thing , we are after all shooting gelitin balls filled with a liquid
the coolest thing about Mags to me is this , you hardley ever see 2 that are the same , other than the part about the quality, dependability & adaptability