Best Mods for a Tac-One Mag

[FiXeL]

For range there isn't much to do than up your velocity. But i've found that it shoots best around 280 fps. Sure you could up it close to 300, but it affects accuracy. If you cant get in touch with your favorite enemy @ 280 fps, get closer! As for barrels, you allready have a good barrel. Just match your paint to the right insert. As for accuracy, you really need to use the marker to get comfortable with it. Also a red dot sight might be an option, but this is not for everyone. I have a red dot on the left side of my tac, but it won't do me any good when i'm trying to longball. But for intermediate range its ok.. Just estimate the range to target and place your dot on or over the target. (if he is not shooting at you) If alligned right, and with good paint, it should be spot on. For close targets and firefights i tend to bend the marker over to the left so i can look along the right side of it.

Tip for adjusting your sight: Put the marker in a marker stand, and remove the valve. Aim the marker by looking trough the barrel at a target about 40 feet away. Adjust the scope so the dot will be over, not on the target you can see trough the barrel. This can involve some shimming to get the elevation right, atleast with my scope. If you have everything dialed in, fine tune at the field. So far i didnt have to adjust anything.

As for usage, if i'm not detected i'll try the scope first. If i'm detected the scope pretty much becomes useless because you will have a hard time aiming while somebody is shooting at you. I go for the classic look along the barrel technique because this is way faster, but less accurate.

But hey, its your tac. I like a scope on it, but it's not for everyone. If you try it, get a 1x (no magnification) scope. Welcome to AO.

[snoopay700]

For range there isn't much to do than up your velocity. But i've found that it shoots best around 280 fps. Sure you could up it close to 300, but it affects accuracy. If you cant get in touch with your favorite enemy @ 280 fps, get closer! As for barrels, you allready have a good barrel. Just match your paint to the right insert. As for accuracy, you really need to use the marker to get comfortable with it. Also a red dot sight might be an option, but this is not for everyone. I have a red dot on the left side of my tac, but it won't do me any good when i'm trying to longball. But for intermediate range its ok.. Just estimate the range to target and place your dot on or over the target. (if he is not shooting at you) If alligned right, and with good paint, it should be spot on. For close targets and firefights i tend to bend the marker over to the left so i can look along the right side of it.

Tip for adjusting your sight: Put the marker in a marker stand, and remove the valve. Aim the marker by looking trough the barrel at a target about 40 feet away. Adjust the scope so the dot will be over, not on the target you can see trough the barrel. This can involve some shimming to get the elevation right, atleast with my scope. If you have everything dialed in, fine tune at the field. So far i didnt have to adjust anything.

As for usage, if i'm not detected i'll try the scope first. If i'm detected the scope pretty much becomes useless because you will have a hard time aiming while somebody is shooting at you. I go for the classic look along the barrel technique because this is way faster, but less accurate.

But hey, its your tac. I like a scope on it, but it's not for everyone. If you try it, get a 1x (no magnification) scope. Welcome to AO.

At first i thought you meant a laser sight, and i was about to say to put it on the right side, but then i read it again and saw it would do you no good.

Anyway, that's another thing you can do, and i've seen them in action and you can get accurate almost immediatly, although i don't like the idea of them. However, if you go this option just pit it on the right side of your gun with a pressure switch and look down the left side when you can't use the laser, although since the tac has the rail on the side i don't know how accurate this is, but my rt, normal mag, and spyder could all be shot with dead on accuracy if i looked down the left side, the vert feed never bothered me on my spyder and the other two have hopper left power feeds, so those are no problem for me.

[FiXeL]

At first i thought you meant a laser sight, and i was about to say to put it on the right side, but then i read it again and saw it would do you no good.

Anyway, that's another thing you can do, and i've seen them in action and you can get accurate almost immediatly, although i don't like the idea of them. However, if you go this option just pit it on the right side of your gun with a pressure switch and look down the left side when you can't use the laser, although since the tac has the rail on the side i don't know how accurate this is, but my rt, normal mag, and spyder could all be shot with dead on accuracy if i looked down the left side, the vert feed never bothered me on my spyder and the other two have hopper left power feeds, so those are no problem for me.

Uhh... A red dot is basicly a scope that has a bright (red) dot in the scope that does not emit a beam or something like that. Instead of a crosshair, you have a dot to aim with. Maybe you could mount it on the right side, but mine is so big it's nearly impossible because of the air fittings.

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See what i mean? Yeah, its huge compared to other red dots. But it works with ring mounts that enable me to tweak it a little with shims. Smaller red dots are direct mount and this can be hard to adjust if mounted on a awkward angle, like on the tac.

Personally i'm not so fond about lasers.. Most are bright enough to damage your eyes. An other thing is you shoot at a curve, so a laser will do you no good. With a red dot you can set it for a specific range, and everything that is further away, you aim above the target.

[snoopay700]

Uhh... A red dot is basicly a scope that has a bright (red) dot in the scope that does not emit a beam or something like that. Instead of a crosshair, you have a dot to aim with. Maybe you could mount it on the right side, but mine is so big it's nearly impossible because of the air fittings.

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See what i mean? Yeah, its huge compared to other red dots. But it works with ring mounts that enable me to tweak it a little with shims. Smaller red dots are direct mount and this can be hard to adjust if mounted on a awkward angle, like on the tac.

Personally i'm not so fond about lasers.. Most are bright enough to damage your eyes. An other thing is you shoot at a curve, so a laser will do you no good. With a red dot you can set it for a specific range, and everything that is further away, you aim above the target.

Note that if you read my post i said AT FIRST i thought you meant a laser, then i reread your post , the second half was just a possibility that the OP could do.

As for the red dot, i'm with you about the eye damaging thing, that's one thing i would worry about if i had one, and that's one reason why i don't use them, that and i feel it's cheating. As for shooting in a curve, i know this is true but they go fairly straight for a little while so it would work for close to mid range, where you can better direct where the laser goes and you have the pressure switch so that it only emits it then, so i figured if i would tell him he could do it at least tell him how to do it so that it's fairly safe.

EDIT: P.S. i already knew what a red dot scope was.

[snoopay700]

Ok, in any physics basics course, one of the first things you learn is the equation v=d/t, or rather velocity = distance/time (or distance divided by time, if you will). Now then, chronographs measure the velocity of a paintball by measuring how far it travels in one second, so if you are shooting at 280 fps that means that each and every second that ball is in the air it will go 280 feet. However, we're not in space, and we have gravity acting on us (which if i remember right is about 32 feet/second^2 (^2 means squared)). Since gravity is acting on the ball, and the rate of acceleration due to gravity is the exact same on each and every ball (the differences in weight are negligible) that means that all balls will get pulled down at the same rate, and if fired parallel to the ground and at the same height, each ball will take the same amount of time to hit the ground (we get this from vYf=vYo+2aY, and then we plug this final vertical velocity that we get into vYf=vYo+at, and we can solve for t, which is t=(vYf-vYo)/a, or rather time equals final vertical velocity when the ball hits the ground minus zero since it started with no vertical velocity, all divided by the accelerations, which is gravity, which is 32ft/s, so you can see that if two balls of equal mass are fired from the same height they will take the same time to hit the ground). Since each ball takes the same time to hit the ground, and they both cover the same distance in the same amount of time, we can see that they go the same distance. If you don't believe me, the equation is x=Vxt, or x = the x velocity times the time, and the x velocity is the horizontal velocity, or rather what your gun is chronoed at, so if they have the same velocity they will cover the same distance in the same amount of time.

EDIT: I'm leaving just the part of the posts that are relevant to the thread, and i feel this is good information for other people.

[punkrex]

I'm looking for some assistance in maximizing the effectiveness of my Tacone. This is what I have thus far:

• Freak barrel Kit
• Halo B loader (getting a Qloader also)
• X Valve
• Longbow Kit (using my tacone as a Q bow once everything comes in).

I mainly want to increase the effectivve range and accuracy. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was looking for an electronic trigger option, however AGD does not seem to be offering them currently.

Quality of paintballs play a good part in accuracy, seams, dimples, and oblong shapes will break linearity in flight. Other than that, as you can see, its a debate.

The best paint to barrel match will increase efficiency of the marker allowing more shots per tank. Which you can get with your freak kit-- good setup to have.

I'd say stick with the freak barrel kit and experiment with different lengths if you wish. You already have the Q, the Halo and the longbow, try each one out-- see what you like. Then let us know.

If you want more information about the accuracy of a barrel, here is extensive data compiled by a member of this site that shows the variance in accuracy of different barrels and kits.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2218018

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212077&highlight=barrel+test

[snoopay700]

Quality of paintballs play a good part in accuracy, seams, dimples, and oblong shapes will break linearity in flight. Other than that, as you can see, its a debate.

The best paint to barrel match will increase efficiency of the marker allowing more shots per tank. Which you can get with your freak kit-- good setup to have.

I'd say stick with the freak barrel kit and experiment with different lengths if you wish. You already have the Q, the Halo and the longbow, try each one out-- see what you like. Then let us know.

If you want more information about the accuracy of a barrel, here is extensive data compiled by a member of this site that shows the variance in accuracy of different barrels and kits.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ht=barrel+test

Yeah, that's very true, i had to shoot with dimpled paint and despite having a barrel with one id down the length (still the best setup, but inserts won't change the accuracy much, both are accurate) and some of the paintballs would go about 10 to 20 feet then veer off, but it's the only paint the field had, and i got to play, so i didn't complain

[punkrex]

Is a one piece barrel more accurate than a multiple piece barrel?No. Many 2 piece barrels use a front that has a larger diameter than the back or insert. This means that when the ball transfers from the back/insert to the front there is no external forces that are being placed on the ball, and the front will not cause the ball to change from its original flight path.

Did you even read any of that information, Mr. high school physicist.
I was trying to actually help someone by providing them with data so they can form their own opinions, rather than trying to persuade them with speculations.

I'm not about to get into a peeing contest with you cause I already know I can peefurther.

[snoopay700]

Did you even read any of that information, Mr. high school physicist.
I was trying to actually help someone by providing them with data so they can form their own opinions, rather than trying to persuade them with speculations.

I'm not about to get into a pissing contest with you cause I already know I can piss further.

Heh, funny, i wasn't trying to get into any kind of contest, let alone something so juvenile.

Anyway, what does what level of physics i'm experienced in have to do with anything? If you must know i'm taking a college level course right now, and passing it extremely well, but that has nothing to do with the thing i said about the barrel, what i said about physics had nothing to do with accuracy, so maybe you should read what i write before posting.

As for two piece barrels, i've heard from quite a few places that the reason why my barrel is accurate while being so short is because it has one id down the length of the barrel, and that two steps tend to make the ball jump around in the second half, but then again this is just what i have read/been told by quite a few people. I really couldn't care less what the answer is, both seem to be equally accurate so it's a moot point, i'll just continue using what works.

As for the range thing, the thing that my post did have to do with physics, if you want to try to dispute that then fine, but any junior kid at my school who is taking entry level physics will laugh at you.

EDIT: and even if that quote you posted was true (which more likely than not thinking back to things that i have experienced that were similar) then that means that, much like ported barrels, insert barrels wouldn't be very efficient, and i'm used to that with my barrel, so maybe that is what i should get, but the accuracy wasn't what i was disputing, it was that he was trying to say a longer barrel equals more range. As for me saying it was the best setup, it really is for efficiency, as my barrel has one id for longer than a two step i'm pretty sure, but it was mainly based off of what i was told, but thinking about it logically what i was told doesn't seem to make sense, unless the situation i'm thinking of is completely different.

[snoopay700]

Anyway, to end this little argument and thread jack, craig, just keep the barrel that you have like was said earlier, use hpa, use good paint, and you will be good to go. Don't listen to this guy because no matter what length barrel you have for the most part, as long as you fire at 280 fps your ball will go as far as everyone else who shoots at that velocity.

[Beemer]

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I'm looking for some assistance in maximizing the effectiveness of my Tacone. I mainly want to increase the effectivve range and accuracy. Does anyone have any suggestions?

The only thing that will increase effective range is more velocity. The only thing that will increase accuracy is consistency.

[snoopay700]

Hey everyone, i'd like to apologize to everyone that read this thread during that whole argument and i would like to apologize to everyone for how juvenile my actions were, i shouldn't have handled that situation like that and looking back on my actions i feel like a real jerk.

[Sumthinwicked]

the easiest way is to remove your posts like me and leave the thread be that is the best way to make the error of both of our ways GO AWAY

[punkrex]

I will appologize as well.

[TheRock]

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I Hate to remove or lock threads.
I Hate to BAN folks.

Just cause I hate it dont mean I wont do it.

I had to remove and edit here. I hate that.

This isnt ANY other Forum, its AO. If you cant post with some class and style and with out name calling Please go somewhere else or you will get a Ban. Go fix your post with the name calling in it. I know you didnt mean it. I should Ban somebody but I HATE that.




The only thing that will increase effective range is more velocity. The only thing that will increase accuracy is consistency.

well have you tried an apexbarrel? that gives you range without fiddling and raising fps. its not that accurate at long ranges depends alot on the paint and if its windy.
But with good paint i like blaze i have got hopper hits at about 50meters and hit peoples at almost 80meters.