PTP & BE Reach Arbitration Settlement Agreement

[rabidchihauhau]

Big,

your contention makes no logical sense; it was PTP that brought the suit, not BE. An Arbitration settlement means that both sides agreed to the terms - otherwise no settlement. Therefore, its logical to assume that PTP won.

You make even less sense with the follow-on statement about the validity of PTP IP, since in negotiating or litigating the same, PTP would be free to reveal the terms of their ORIGINAL CONTRACT with BE that covered the licensing agreement.

Their IP has already been given the validity you want to deny it. Too bad for you.

[teufelhunden]

Rabid forget these chumps who don't understand that people get into business to make money.

Congratulations to you and the rest involved.

[BigEvil]

I know you want us to believe all that, but as you said both sides agreed to the terms. That's how it works if there is no clear winner or loser. If it was a cut and dry slam dunk for PTP as you make it out to be, there would have been no need for PTP to agree to a gag order. They would have won without the need to agree to such a thing. But they did agree to it, you want to deny its implications. Too bad for you

[robertsr1811]

Guys, isn't it a bit rude to ask a man what he thinks about a situation just to call him an *** when he tells you?

Just saying...

[rabidchihauhau]

BigEvil,

You are so obviously biased against Pro-Team on any issue that concerns them, that its no wonder you put blinders on.

Have you ever engaged in an arbitration? I don't think so.

Do you know the details of the history of this case? I know you don't.

Therefore, why don't you limit yourself to talking about things you know something about. Sorry if that means you'll never post again.

If you FORCE someone to the negotiating table - its a win. If you get everything you are asking for - its a win - even if you have to concede to a gag order to get them to sign on the dotted line. And that's forgetting the fact that gag orders are pretty standard for these kinds of things.

For Pro-Team to get anything out of BE, its a win. The ONLY circumstances in which your assertion would be correct is if it was BE taking PTP to the table, and that's just not the case.

I notice that you've said NOTHING about the fact that PTP can use their original contract as proof of the enforceability of their patents. No come back there? Right. Because there is none.

[Chronobreak]

BigEvil,



I notice that you've said NOTHING about the fact that PTP can use their original contract as proof of the enforceability of their patents. No come back there? Right. Because there is none.

question still remains

what if anything will actualy be enforced

what new products, if any will be coming out

given the history(mostly recent) of BE i dont expect anything ground breaking..


so when is the clamping feedneck, pneumatic rainmaker being released for 08?


sorry rabid it was too tempting.

fact is NONE of us know whats going on, and thats ok we are allowed to speculate, dont yell at us for doing so when actual info isnt allowed and your not giving us anything more either.

even the link you posted to the blog is pure speculation and nothing more.

[rabidchihauhau]

I understand the frustration - believe me, there's more of it over here than over there.

However, I don't think you guys are getting the point.


What's going to be enforced? Everything is going to be enforced. Come on. You guys know you've got to actively protect your IP if you want to keep it.

What's the result of the arbitration going to be? Can't say - but keep tuned in.

[RogueFactor]

BigEvil,

You are so obviously biased against Pro-Team on any issue that concerns them, that its no wonder you put blinders on.

Have you ever engaged in an arbitration? I don't think so.

Do you know the details of the history of this case? I know you don't.

Therefore, why don't you limit yourself to talking about things you know something about. Sorry if that means you'll never post again.

If you FORCE someone to the negotiating table - its a win. If you get everything you are asking for - its a win - even if you have to concede to a gag order to get them to sign on the dotted line. And that's forgetting the fact that gag orders are pretty standard for these kinds of things.

For Pro-Team to get anything out of BE, its a win. The ONLY circumstances in which your assertion would be correct is if it was BE taking PTP to the table, and that's just not the case.

I notice that you've said NOTHING about the fact that PTP can use their original contract as proof of the enforceability of their patents. No come back there? Right. Because there is none.

Talk about hypocrisy. Rabid calling someone biased? Pot, meet kettle. The fact is, the blog is biased and so are you. Youre the one that admittedly worked for PTP, helped with this IP, and are still loyal to your 'buddies'. So, if they lost, youd spin that to appear as a win out of loyalty. Which is why the information you present is more biased than anyone here. Please get off your high-horse of calling members biased, when all you need to do is look in the mirror.

Most licensing agreements include an arbitration clause, thats standard procedure. So nobody really forced anybody to do anything other than what was agreed upon by both parties in the original contract.

I dont really care that you know more. What you know, you cant say. So what youve said would be breaking the gag order if it were true. There is some logic for you.

Here are the 'facts' according to Brass Eagles response to PTP wanting to make this a public smere campaign:

The facts are that neither party is satisfied with the status of the situation, that a dispute has occurred, and that the parties are proceeding to arbitration as allowed for within our contract.
We do not believe it is appropriate to publicly debate matters that are in litigation or arbitration. This matter will be resolved in due time, according to the parameters of the contract.

Point is, its all speculation and anybody that can say anything isnt allowed to. But you want us all to believe that what youve said is fact. And the fact is, there are 2 sides to every story, you only want us to hear 1 side(your side) and attack anyone that doesnt agree with it.

The days of the good ol boys network spin-mastering this stuff in the public are nearly over. The good ol boys are gone, the industry has gone corporate, and those who have replaced the good ol boys dont care what you have to say. Your audience is all but disappeared. Big companies arent stupid enough to debate this publicly, and thats the reason for non-disclosure and gag orders.

If PTP had spent more time manufacturing their IP than trying to cockblock everyone, youd all be heralded as heros. Instead you spend more time running around online trying to satiate your over-inflated ego by showing us how smart you think you are. Over 8 years and counting for a pneumag that people are building from off-the-shelf parts...yep, you are pure genious and you are taking the world by storm!

[MANN]

Breaking news

I just got off the horn with my buddy at Brass Eagle. They are releasing a new micromag tomorrow. I have already got mine. If you want to purchase one go to

https://www.wtfisthisthreadaccomplishing.com

[RogueFactor]

I just got off the horn with my buddy at Brass Eagle. They are releasing a new micromag tomorrow. I have already got mine. If you want to purchase one go to

www.wtfisthisthreadaccomplishing.com

I actually almost clicked on that link. Good one Josh, good one.

[Dend78]

They are releasing a new micromag tomorrow. I have already got mine.

www.wtfisthisthreadaccomplishing.com

to bad its all plastic

[BigEvil]

BigEvil,

You are so obviously biased against Pro-Team on any issue that concerns them, that its no wonder you put blinders on.

No, im not bias against ANYONE who supports AGD. Im bias against bull and spin, and my BS detector goes off anytime you post.

If you FORCE someone to the negotiating table - its a win. If you get everything you are asking for - its a win - even if you have to concede to a gag order to get them to sign on the dotted line. And that's forgetting the fact that gag orders are pretty standard for these kinds of things.

So tough guy, what exactly did PTP get out of BE? Oh wait - there's a gag order - Which is my point exactly. That means that you can spew and spin whatever you want without anything of substance to back it up. Some thing which you have proven yourself above and beyond vastly better than even the most battle hardened goons from the Clinton administration.

PTP FORCED BE to the table, bragged about it to the world, then after laying the smack down on them accepted a gag order that wouldnt allow public disclosure?

How do you know what I know? In fact, I wish I DID NOT KNOW half of what I do - which is just enough to cause my above mentioned B.S. detector to go off. Ignorance is truly bliss. Then again, ignorant people are usually the easiest victims of propaganda. If anything, my blinders have been taken off and I can see the light.

I notice that you've said NOTHING about the fact that PTP can use their original contract as proof of the enforceability of their patents. No come back there? Right. Because there is none.

Contract? Speaking of contracts - Doesn't Smart Parts also have contracts which validate their claims of legitimacy for their patents? Aren't you one of the people collecting money to try to help overturn those?

Patent
Litigation Fund Now Open

So if one is legitimate because there are contracts in place, then how can one not be? Talk about bias.

[Furby]

So c'mon rabid and furby give us some hints on good things that may come from this settlement / agreement !

No comment.

[going_home]

No comment.

Well that can only mean one of two things :

More lawsuits or new and exciting cutting edge paintball products ?

[Furby]

You're reading too much into it...it means "No Comment".