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[Army]

Hey rotorhead, That's Fabrique Nationale not S&W!

FNC out of Belgium. They make the M240B-C-D .30's and the M249, not to mention a large run of M16's, and were the makers of the FN-FAL, the greatest battle rifle of all time!

[HoppysMag]

Army ......dont they make the FAMAS too?

[zads27]

Yes I believe FN makes the FAMAS as well.

That crazy paintball gun looks like mp5 rear ends a FN P90.. muzzle size looks menacing though

FN/FAL? bah. HK- No Compromise.

[personman]

Screw P90s I love FN for the FiveSevens!

[Army]

Nope, GIAT (Groupement Industriel des Armements Terrestres) makes the FAMAS.

[HoppysMag]

O....your right Army..... P90s are cool too..... any one here into Airsoft... im getting interested in it...any advice?

[Trunnion]

the original FAMAS weapons were made by Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Etienne and GIAT. in '94 GIAT took over the production of the weapon. GIAT is french while FN is belgian. some of the best weapons since WWII have come from FN. a friend of mine recently purchased an FN-FAL, which i'll probably get to try out sometime this spring. i'm interested to see how the FAL stands up to my Garand

[BlackVCG]

Bah. The FAL is a MUCH more proven weapon than HK's comparable HK33 rifle.

[Trunnion]

i thought HK's comperable weapon was the G3? the 33 is 5.56x45mm, while the G3 is a 7.62x51mm, like the FAL. regardless, the HK weapons are generally more complex and prone to jams in the field than something like FAL, but it's also more accurate. in an environment other than a battle field, an HK will do rather well. that's why MP5s are used by SWAT teams, but you don't see regular soldiers using them

[zads27]

Originally posted by BlackVCG
Bah. The FAL is a MUCH more proven weapon than HK's comparable HK33 rifle.

I think it would be more fair to compare the FAL to the G3. In fact, the G3 was produced basically as a FAL rifle, since Fabrique Nationale wouldn't license Germany to produce it. The HK33 is basically a 5.56mm version of the G3.

With a limited budget and being a civvy shooter, I do suppose I'd go for the FAL (especially if I did my own reloads.. the roller lock system beats the living daylights outta cases).. but no holds barred, combat scenario, I'd go for the 91/G3.

To stay on topic, I wonder if the military PB marker there feels off balanced to the right? Slap a warp feed on the left, and it's perfectly balanced again

EDIT: I'd have to disagree with the jams on the field argument, the G3 can take way more of the "Wolf"-type ammunition factor than the FAL, the FAL being more "AR-15" picky about what ammo you feed it.

[Trunnion]

jams aren't dependant solely on the quality of ammo(though that's a big part of it). when it comes to dirt ingress, from what i understand the G3 is a little bit more sensitive. personally, i'd prefer an M14. basically a garand with a clip and chambered for NATO 7.62mm ammo. Garands were hard to beat for all-round reliability, so i wouldn't think the M14 would be much worse

[HoppysMag]

Wanna know the best asualt rifle eh? Can you say Kalashnikov! ( alot of people cant! ) truly one of the most diverse guns.... its up there with the M16 family......used by all third world countrys and communist....... that many communist cant be wrong!


my top 5 Rifle/long gun list

1) FAMAS/M14
2)AKM/ various weapons in the AK family
3)M4 / and other m16 derividants
4)Spas 12/ Mossberg M500 SSB
5)MP5K-PDW

My Top 5 Pistols
1)Desert Eagle .50 / M1911 .45
2)USP
3)Glock 17
4)M92
5)KWC K99

I am not aying these are the best, these are just what i Perfer.


****a back slash means OR.******

[Hysperion]

How can you call the AK series #2 and the M-14 #1? Have you ever shot a real weapon before or did you get these pics out of the original copy of Soldier of Fortune? Obviously if you think the AK series is reliable, you must be comparing it to an M-16....because when comparing it to a real rifle like the H&K G-36 (one of which shot 46,000 rounds without being cleaned and didn't jam once.....) go here for some info on this one..... http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages...sframeset.html .....The only reason the AK series is used everywhere is because they're cheap.....The Mig-29 and Mig-21 are used by all the third world countries and have about 10x the production numbers of the F-22 Raptor, I guess that means that they are more capable aircraft ....The M-14 is good for semi-auto sniper derivatives .....but the M-24 (based off the Remington 700, is still a more capable weapon).....I guess the funniest part of your whole rating thing is that you have the Desert Eagle listed as the #1 pistol....Sounds to me like that's the best gun you've used while playing Counterstrike so you think it's the best in real life too....hahahaha I write all this then I go back and see you specifically said "I'm not saying these are the best, just what I prefer" .....now I feel stupid....but anyways check up on the G-36 those are fricken awesome......

[HoppysMag]

I am not aying these are the best, these are just what i Perfer.

So relax....and the AK is still a great gun.....


EDIT: i finaly finished reading your post and saw that you relized about the WHAT I PERFER thing..... now i feel stupid... , il check out the HK

[[NA]WARLORD]

AK is a great weapon, in case you guys havent noticed but some of the top A/T teams use them, sure you will see M-4's, H&K MP5's, and other weapons in the promo pics used for recruiting but in reality when they hit foreign turf most of them carry AK,s. This was explained to me by Richard Marchinko, former Navy SEal, he said they are as accurate & they are reliable ( more so then M-16's) they can fire at greater ranges (since they are a larger caliber) and ammo is readily available due to most third world countries using them.
Army may attest to this one, drop an M-16 into the mud, pick it up clean it off and try to fire it, Nothin !! do the same with an AK, its like nothin ever happened.