Why do we care about BPS so much

[Empyreal Rogue]

better???? or put in2 tek skol speech 4 u

Your typing really does make no sense at all.

[Sumthinwicked]

read it slow LOL it was a joke on tech school banter

[ljpiller]

We don't need BPS. There are people that think they need high rates of fire in order to compete or perform well, but most those that have played long enough with a marker that doesn't have a high rate of fire will know it isn't necessary.

I think it's the mentality of taking the easy route. It's easy to buy a marker these days that can hose out the paint with a hair trigger and own the field. It's difficult to change your play style so that you have enough skill to compensate.

[Hgblues]

I played tourneys with a '99 bushmaster up until 2005. It had a stock chip that was 8 to 10 bps, with a warp feed, and, I always said I wouldnt change guns until i thought the technology of the other guns put me at a disadvantage. Well, in 2005 I bought an Alias timmy. If the rules say you can ramp at 13.3, you cannot compete if you are shooting semi at 8 to 10. Now, I'm no fan of higher bps, it would suit me fine if they capped it at 10 bps, I prefer to use athleticism and stratagy to play the game. But that's just the way it is, period. At 13.3 ramping I can cover 2 or sometimes 3 players for my tape to move, my percentage chance of hitting my target in my lanes on the break are much greater than shooting semi or less bps. , AND, I can run in a wide open sprint and still shoot accurately 13.3 bps at my target. As for all the people that keep stating that bps has nothing to do with how good you are, and you can still be competitive shooting a pneumag in a ramp tourney, I just hope I draw all of your teams in my next tournament, because, hey, an easy win is still a win .

Oh, i'm currently building a pneumag btw, but it's gonna be electro, so i can ramp at 13.3 in the tourneys i play that allow it. Hey, I dont make the rules, but I will use them for my advantage.

[going_home]

I played tourneys with a '99 bushmaster up until 2005. It had a stock chip that was 8 to 10 bps, with a warp feed, and, I always said I wouldnt change guns until i thought the technology of the other guns put me at a disadvantage. Well, in 2005 I bought an Alias timmy. If the rules say you can ramp at 13.3, you cannot compete if you are shooting semi at 8 to 10. Now, I'm no fan of higher bps, it would suit me fine if they capped it at 10 bps, I prefer to use athleticism and stratagy to play the game. But that's just the way it is, period. At 13.3 ramping I can cover 2 or sometimes 3 players for my tape to move, my percentage chance of hitting my target in my lanes on the break are much greater than shooting semi or less bps. , AND, I can run in a wide open sprint and still shoot accurately 13.3 bps at my target. As for all the people that keep stating that bps has nothing to do with how good you are, and you can still be competitive shooting a pneumag in a ramp tourney, I just hope I draw all of your teams in my next tournament, because, hey, an easy win is still a win .

Oh, i'm currently building a pneumag btw, but it's gonna be electro, so i can ramp at 13.3 in the tourneys i play that allow it. Hey, I dont make the rules, but I will use them for my advantage.

I hate to tell you this but I personally watched a group of pump players take out a pro team with all the toys on the speedball field at Central Florida Paintball.
Most of them were playing stock class too.
BPS has nothing to do with skills. Nothing .
(I just wish I was that good at pump)

[halB]

"What ever happens
We have got
The maxim machine gun
And they have not"
-Rudyard Kipling

Europeans took over Africa, which had modern rifles, because they had the Maxim Machine Gun. Invented by Sir Robert Maxim around 1860, it allowed 2 soldiers to man a machine that could lay down a WALL of lead. Anyone who tried to rush the position was mowed down by a machine that didn't even bother to aim. These Africans were highly trained warriors, from birth. It did not matter. The Europeans didn't even have to aim.

The same disastrous consequence happened in WW1. The guns that had been invented led to a GREAT increase ROF. And the tactics, from the Crimean war, were not updated. Paschendale. Somme. No more needs to be said.

[Smoothice]

I don't play in any tourneys.

Just rec ball.

For me bps is just for fun.

I've been rocking my classic mag since I started playing in '96. Probably shooting 4 or 5 bps.

Just last year I started playing pump. I now play 90% pump.

Loguzzzzzz was nice enough to let me use his karta emag about 2 months ago and I have to say I had a smile from ear to ear. Used the same tactics I use with a pump but while walking the trigger. It was awsome.

[MANN]

I didnt read the other replies, and dont need to

We need bps because we are guys. We dont need cars that go 200mph either, but again we are guys. We always believe more is good.

[minimag03]

New Scenario:

You are in a tournament with paint flying everywhere. You have to snapshoot at someone on the other team in order to take the game. Would could you shoot faster in the half second that you hang out of your bunker? A fancy electro or a mech mag?

With a fancy electro you could get 6-7 shots off. With a mech mag you could get 2 maybe 3 shots. And double the paint means double the chance of hitting someone (since aiming has become a lost art).

[Nick E]

It isn't so much that it's become a lost art, it's that in some cases, more is better.
I use a pump gun and a mostly stock impulse...Is that fancy? New? Speedy? Absolutely not.
But, on the rare occasion I need to lay down a bit more paint than usual, the imp can do it. I'd rather not use it(BPS) and have it than not have it and possibly need it. The minimag can't always do that for me, which is why I don't always use it.

[Dawg047]

I hate to tell you this but I personally watched a group of pump players take out a pro team with all the toys on the speedball field at Central Florida Paintball.
Most of them were playing stock class too.
BPS has nothing to do with skills. Nothing .
(I just wish I was that good at pump)

That is for sure. I have a friend that does the same. Rather he plays with a pump or rental Tippman, he can take out anybody anywhere anythime. He is that good. It is truly not about the marker. It is about the player. Hell, I was busting people with my Mag until a guy runs up and bunkers me with a Phantom

[Dawg047]

"What ever happens
We have got
The maxim machine gun
And they have not"
-Rudyard Kipling

Europeans took over Africa, which had modern rifles, because they had the Maxim Machine Gun. Invented by Sir Robert Maxim around 1860, it allowed 2 soldiers to man a machine that could lay down a WALL of lead. Anyone who tried to rush the position was mowed down by a machine that didn't even bother to aim. These Africans were highly trained warriors, from birth. It did not matter. The Europeans didn't even have to aim.

The same disastrous consequence happened in WW1. The guns that had been invented led to a GREAT increase ROF. And the tactics, from the Crimean war, were not updated. Paschendale. Somme. No more needs to be said.

You can not even compare a real life war against paintball. It is not the same at all. In paintball, you have rules and therefore the palyer that can push himself to be great inside those rules, has the advantage. In real life, there are no rules. Demonstrated by young kids in Baghdad that have grenades strapped to their chests.

Also, you can have a gunner on a Machine gun but what is he going to do when a Ghillied up soldier with a Barrett 50.cal blows his head apart like a watermelon?

[drg]

I hate to tell you this but I personally watched a group of pump players take out a pro team with all the toys on the speedball field at Central Florida Paintball.
Most of them were playing stock class too.
BPS has nothing to do with skills. Nothing .
(I just wish I was that good at pump)

Everyone gives that same BS example. Given the same level of skills, BPS DOES provide an advantage (up to a certain level). And THAT is the point.

Is there a huge difference between 15 and 18 bps? Not really. But between 4 and 15 bps (pump and ramping semi)? HUGE difference. THAT kind of BPS difference is something to care about.

[Siress]

Coming from a guy that has played in ramping tournaments and has played nothing but stock class for the past 3 years, you guys are comparing apples to oranges. The two approaches are so drastically different in what is required of the operator that to compare the two requires false assumptions. With stock class, the extra skills need are tactical things: planning the next reload of paint and air, prevent being bunkered (different with pump than semi), and aiming with one shot...always. With semi and above, the operator requires these skills instead: planning angles for good ropes, maintaining a low profile, and prevent being bunkered (almost a non-issue with semi's, compared to pumps).

It's harder to transition from semi to SC than to transition back. All of that being said, I find SC play to be more challenging but significantly more satisfying.

As for the OP, it's a game of compensation. The less satisfying a person's life, the more BPS they must have. The pneumag's offer a more steady gun during the firing process, which should aid in accuracy just a tad. ROF above 12-13bps is strictly for competitions and other peoples that like to hurt each other. Long live the revy...though I plan to pick up a jrny this year for my other gun.

[halB]

You can not even compare a real life war against paintball. It is not the same at all. In paintball, you have rules and therefore the palyer that can push himself to be great inside those rules, has the advantage. In real life, there are no rules. Demonstrated by young kids in Baghdad that have grenades strapped to their chests.

Also, you can have a gunner on a Machine gun but what is he going to do when a Ghillied up soldier with a Barrett 50.cal blows his head apart like a watermelon?

The rules in paintball are only there to simulate warfare accurately. You get hit: you're out. Just like if you get hit by a bullet in battle (even if it's just a flesh wound, you're out of the fight.)

Therefore, I simply cannot understand how you can say that paintball is not analogous to a real life gunfight, at least not using your example.

And I don't think you understand. There was no "gunner" with the maxim. There's no need to aim.


A much better way to destroy my argument would be to point out ranges (much closer in paintball) and cover (ample cover in speedball/woods, which would hamper a machine gunner anyways, compared to no cover in Africa).

Further: My argument doesn't even need to show an analogy between paintball and war. All I was attempting to do was show how higher "bps" revolutionized SOMETHING as we know it. A higher "bps" annihilated people who thought they could win with "skill."*

*Ethiopia is the exception. They recognized that their skill and tactics were NO match. So they made up new ones, and won. With spears and guns.