My last day...

[AGDRetro]

Yes, I am a mag fanboy, have been since 1996. Call it brand loyalty, I dunno. I'm not against any other marker(except SP markers), I just choose nto to shoot em. For ME, there is no other marker I'd rather shoot.

Right there with ya toter! I owned nothing but Cockers for years, swore by them, thought they were the best! When I got my first RT ULE Custom, that was it. Sold my 2 SFL Cockers, now I own 2 Karta Mags & a Pump Mag

I've owned a ton of guns and worked on even more. The Mag can hog all the gas it wants, I'll still take it over anything else, but like has already been said a billion times, it all comes down to preference. I'm glad you like your Karnivore, I hope it continues to keep you happy!

[halB]

A cocker is not an "electro."

No gun that WAS a pump, and then became a semi auto after they jb welded some random parts to the front of the body, that then became an "electro" because they swapped what they JB welded in, could EVER be an "electro." Electros don't have a humongous back block slapping you in your face with every shot.

[Chaos_Theory!]

A cocker is not an "electro."

No gun that WAS a pump, and then became a semi auto after they jb welded some random parts to the front of the body, that then became an "electro" because they swapped what they JB welded in, could EVER be an "electro." Electros don't have a humongous back block slapping you in your face with every shot.

If youre serious then you truely are an ignorant person.

[mpsd]

^ Now, I agree with you.

[michbich]

A cocker is not an "electro."

No gun that WAS a pump, and then became a semi auto after they jb welded some random parts to the front of the body, that then became an "electro" because they swapped what they JB welded in, could EVER be an "electro." Electros don't have a humongous back block slapping you in your face with every shot.

LOL, that's just stupid. You're saying that an electric cocker isn't electric .

[SN toter]

A cocker is not an "electro."

No gun that WAS a pump, and then became a semi auto after they jb welded some random parts to the front of the body, that then became an "electro" because they swapped what they JB welded in, could EVER be an "electro." Electros don't have a humongous back block slapping you in your face with every shot.

wow....just...wow...

[Sumthinwicked]

A cocker is not an "electro."

No gun that WAS a pump, and then became a semi auto after they jb welded some random parts to the front of the body, that then became an "electro" because they swapped what they JB welded in, could EVER be an "electro." Electros don't have a humongous back block slapping you in your face with every shot.

I see they give the crack away for free in your town hunh ?> Let me give you some advice son..... Put the crackpipe down that glass heats up from repetitive use your going to burn your lips

[RavishingEddie]

Besides efficiency what is a major drawback mags have compared to newer electros?

[halB]

Oh yes, you guys must all be right. I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUURE the autococker wasn't an outdated design when it was first made in the early 90s. And I'm sure that throwing a smattering of electropneumatics onto a pump gun makes it a true electro.

Did you catch the sarcasm there? I laid it on pretty thick.


An AKA Excalibur is an electro gun, it was designed for that from the ground up. A pump gun that has a kit thrown onto it is not. A pump gun that has a backblock is not. A pump gun that has ridiculous amounts of reciprocating mass, powered by a freaking cocking rod on the outside of the body, is not an electro. You can call it what you want. But I bet you guys also shoot "electro" spyders.

[olinar]

I think you might be a little vague on the whole "electro" definition.

any marker using electronics to fire it is an "electro" in that it is electronic.

It may not have been that at the start but it is now.

[michbich]

Oh yes, you guys must all be right. I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUURE the autococker wasn't an outdated design when it was first made in the early 90s. And I'm sure that throwing a smattering of electropneumatics onto a pump gun makes it a true electro.

Did you catch the sarcasm there? I laid it on pretty thick.


An AKA Excalibur is an electro gun, it was designed for that from the ground up. A pump gun that has a kit thrown onto it is not. A pump gun that has a backblock is not. A pump gun that has ridiculous amounts of reciprocating mass, powered by a freaking cocking rod on the outside of the body, is not an electro. You can call it what you want. But I bet you guys also shoot "electro" spyders.

So by your logic, a pump mag isn't a pump, an e/x-mag isn't an electro? Electro doesn't mean high end, it means that it's electronic..that's all. So the toyota camry hybrid isn't a hybrid because it only had an internal combustion engine in it before?

[93civiccpe]

I'd have to agree with the above post. An electro cocker is an electro still, and just because it is improved older technology doesn't mean it is bad.

Shoot, if you halfblock, mini, and midget an autococker, add an MQ valve and electroframe, and get it properly set up, you'll have a marker that's as fast as just about everything else out there and have darn good efficiency as well. I don't own an electro cocker anymore, but from using and owning them for a long time and once owning a maxed out autococker, I can tell you that you are incorrect with your statements. The halfblocking takes away that annoying backblock that you don't like (but that most users like and miss). The mq valve lightens it and takes away some of the complication of timing & setting the lug & etc, as well as speeding it up.

Here's one that I wish I owned... owned by DeathOfAllThings over on the "forbidden site". Look at his first post with pics & info:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=43068415#post43068415

I'd like you to tell me that his autococker there is "old technology" that can't keep up or that isn't a true electro.

[Chaos_Theory!]

Oh yes, you guys must all be right. I'm SUUUUUUUUUUUURE the autococker wasn't an outdated design when it was first made in the early 90s. And I'm sure that throwing a smattering of electropneumatics onto a pump gun makes it a true electro.

Did you catch the sarcasm there? I laid it on pretty thick.


An AKA Excalibur is an electro gun, it was designed for that from the ground up. A pump gun that has a kit thrown onto it is not. A pump gun that has a backblock is not. A pump gun that has ridiculous amounts of reciprocating mass, powered by a freaking cocking rod on the outside of the body, is not an electro. You can call it what you want. But I bet you guys also shoot "electro" spyders.

Ok, your an idiot. An electro is any gun that is electronically assisted in operation. A cocker with an electronic frame and stuff is electronic. Also, if your saying spyders cant be electronic guns either, youve gone beyond idiot status and jumped to straight up dumbass. Stating that a gun isnt and can never be an electro because it wasnt originally electronic is incorrect any way you look at it so let it go kid. Odds are your just some punk kid who floats around on forums and doesnt really know anything about paintball or even play for that matter.

[garbageman705]

I love cockers, I was scared of them at first, timing and all. But far and wide they are a great gun. Mostly for enthusiasts anymore. I have a cocker that I built, it shoots ROPES of paint. I also really like how you can see it working, it adds something for me. I like the backblock, if you adjust it correctly it doesn't make that slap sound actually.

Autocockers are fun guns, FUN, does anybody have FUN anymore?

[alooney11]

Its crazy but, I love old school guns, I think everyone on this forum prolly started out rocking out with a spyder and wishing they could afford the RT and Cockers of the mid 90's. My karni is hooked up with an Apoc2K to represent the old school even more. I startes playing in the early 90's so most of these new guns(egos, angelsm dm#) have no appeal to me. But this cocker really has me in awe right now. I still have an old mag but paintball just isnt the same anymore, i wish we were still in the mech days of the mid 90's when paintball was actually fun, but it seems those days are gone forever.