I never knew that.....

[Ruler_Mark]

http://www.pbreview.com/paintball-videos/playVideo.php?v=paintball-beginners-gun-descriptions

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EMags are electro-pnuematic paintball guns? lol. I hope this guy knowes his mistake.

[Lenny]

A: (EDIT: Just watched the video, and he did say EP. Wierd. I would've expected better out of Tyger)

B: E-Mags are not electro pneumatic. They are indeed sear-trippers.

[Ruler_Mark]

A: (EDIT: Just watched the video, and he did say EP. Wierd. I would've expected better out of Tyger)

B: E-Mags are not electro pneumatic. They are indeed sear-trippers.

what i meant,, edited first post to emphasize sarcasm.

[cyrus-the-virus]

That's also not a true stockclass marker, It's modified stockclass. The other is open class.

I don't agree with a lot of things tyger say's or a lot of those video's on pbreview. But to each their own I guess.

[Lohman446]

Its air powered - hence its pneumatic.

It uses electricity - hence its electro.

Well it may indeed be a sear tripper what keeps it from being classified as electro-pneumatic? What defines electro-pneumatic? Some SP classification system?

[Dark Side]

[B-Pow]

I'm pretty certian that Tyger knows it's not really /true/

However he says himself his vids are "paintball for idiots" and if you start to talk semantics of the E-mag is an electro sear tripper and a intimidator is an electropnumatic...it is getting on the range of too complicated/too much information for someone who needs the viedos (ie people who it's their first season out on the field).

I can't watch the vid from here (I'm at work, steaming media is banned as is pbreview...bastards) but I'm going to guess the "stock class" gun you are refering to is his phantom? That phantom has so many parts to switch around it can be true stock class he just might have a diffrent set of parts on it.

The guy basically just grabbed a few guns threw them in his trunk and hit the field in the morning in the middle of the week to make vids for people who haven't been playing much, or ever before. I want to say that perticular vid is in his set on expert village with a title like "so you are new to paintball...here's what you might want to know"

[Lohman446]

However he says himself his vids are "paintball for idiots" and if you start to talk semantics of the E-mag is an electro sear tripper and a intimidator is an electropnumatic...it is getting on the range of too complicated/too much information for someone who needs the viedos (ie people who it's their first season out on the field).

Why? Electro-pneumatic implies that it uses both electricity and pneumatics to function. The E-mag qualifies (while in e-mode). While others may qualify differently the E-mag clearly qualifies.

[B-Pow]

Why? Electro-pneumatic implies that it uses both electricity and pneumatics to function. The E-mag qualifies (while in e-mode). While others may qualify differently the E-mag clearly qualifies.

The (common) definition that the thread starts with is that an electro-pnumatic has a solinoid that works directly with air pressure (ie: intimidator, ego, quest, matrix...blah blah blah) where as a electro-mechanical has a solinoid that actuates a sear (E-spider, E-tippy, E-mag). This is the definition that /most/ paintball players use and I'm not here to debate the semantics of this definition or that definition. I'm only trying to give a diffrent opinion of why saying that a E-mag is electro-pnumatic (which the "common paintball definition" would disagree with) would not be a bad thing to say in the case of the viedos.

Honestly I don't really like that split definition of electronic guns, because it fuels the pissing match as to the "better gun". That and it leaves the e-cockers somewhere in the middle unowned by eather camp (well unless it has an MQ).

But ignoring cockers the easy way people use to disgungish between electro-pnumatic and electro-mechanical is that if the gun has a "sibling" gun of the same platform that can function without a battery it is electro-mechanical.

Now that I've said all that...I honestly don't care...an E-gun is an E-gun and they all serve the same basic purpace no matter what the solinoid acts on directly...does it really matter so long as it throws paint with speed and short light trigger pulls?

[punkncat]

Well...would it help with any kind of prior art case?
If so, I say we all agree......:shifty:

[Ruler_Mark]

what a discussion i have spurred

[thejere]

Whoa... Does this an eblade cocker is both electromechanical and electroneumatic?

[Hilltop Customs]

electro cockers use a pneu-noid to opperate as the 3 way and a mechanical noid to opperate the sear.(mq valve excluded)

emags use an mechanical noid to move the sear which in turn opperates the on/off valve, so IMO it could be considered electro pneumatic since it uses a noid to opperate a valve, but the catch is the sear that is being actuated by the noid also releases the bolt.

spyders just use a mechanical noid to release the hammer/bolt...if someone were to replace the hammer spring with a ram and the mechanical noid with a pneu noid it would be electro pneumatic.....and you could call it a bko, bushmaster, timmy.....list goes on.

difference between pneu noid and a regular noid=pneu noid is a regular noid that is used to opperate some type of air valve. Really every electro gun is a electropneumatic since every electro uses some type of noid to release air pressure down the barrel....they may have a different sequence of events leading from one to the other, but the first and last steps in the sequence are the same.

[DevilMan]

And wouldn't any 'lectro gun then become "Electro Pneumatic"?

I mean they ALLL use AIR in some fashion. Woot Woot!!! My Spyder Imagine just moved up the food chain!!! Gonna raise the price accordingly....

DM

[questionful]

Whoa... Does this an eblade cocker is both electromechanical and electroneumatic?

it means cockers are scum that were only put on this earth for mags to spit on.

jk. but in my opinion electrocockers take the fun out of cockers! I want a cocker some day, and it's going to be pre 98 FULLY MECHANICAL and a sliding single trigger. And stainless pneumatics. . . A man can dream!