I don't understand mags

[Spencer]

I have tried a few times, to understand them, but I need help, here is my problem..

Well first of all, why does NOBODY have an automag? I mean I never see them at feilds never saw one shoot in person.. But cockers are pretty common... Btw I shoot a cocker..

Only time I have ever seen a mag was when I was at a senario, me and this other guy were in the top of a castle and he was plucking people off, I was like wow how are you doing that and in a nerdy voice he says.. "its a mag" lol me and my friend joke at that all the time..

Anyways..

I tried to get into them but seem to always drift away.. I currently shoot cockers and phantoms, I have owned almost every type of marker out there, I just prefer these..

I understand how they work but this is what I don't understand..

Whats the diffrences with all the valves?

And the trigger frames?

And can you make a mag look like this

http://www.rawbutter.com/images/paintball/p-mag5.JPG

If it currently looks like this

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee156/AutoMaggerIX/Mag_1.jpg

Not that thats what I want my mag to look like, its just that all I EVER See is thoes gray body ones, and I HATE THEM but there are others out there that are sexy, so what would it take?

Also where can you find parts for these things?

[grEnAlEins]

I have tried a few times, to understand them, but I need help, here is my problem..

Well first of all, why does NOBODY have an automag? Lots of people do shoot mags, believe it or not. They are serving a niche market though. I mean I never see them at feilds never saw one shoot in person.. But cockers are pretty common... Btw I shoot a cocker..

Only time I have ever seen a mag was when I was at a senario, me and this other guy were in the top of a castle and he was plucking people off, I was like wow how are you doing that and in a nerdy voice he says.. "its a mag" lol me and my friend joke at that all the time..

Anyways..

I tried to get into them but seem to always drift away.. I currently shoot cockers and phantoms, I have owned almost every type of marker out there, I just prefer these..

I understand how they work but this is what I don't understand..

Whats the diffrences with all the valves? Basic there are two groups. Group A: Field Rental, Classic, Minimag; These are standard valves. Group B: Rt valve, Retro valve, X valve, Emag valve, Emaxx valve, etc.; these are reactive valves. Any group A valve is essentially the same as any other Group A valve. Any Group B valve is essentially the same as any Group B valve.

And the trigger frames?A trigger frame is a trigger frame. Some are single trigger, some are double trigger. The Intelliframe can hold an Intelliswitch, which can make your warp-feed or hopper feed balls with every trigger pull. Other frames are available to suit taste and comfort. There is really no major differences as far as functionality for mech frames. Emag "lowers" give electronic function to the mag. So does a "spydermag" frame. A pnuemag frame uses parts similar to those on your cocker's front block to activate the valve.

And can you make a mag look like this

http://www.rawbutter.com/images/paintball/p-mag5.JPG

If it currently looks like this

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee156/AutoMaggerIX/Mag_1.jpg

Yes. You just have to switch parts out/upgrade.
Not that thats what I want my mag to look like, its just that all I EVER See is thoes gray body ones, and I HATE THEM but there are others out there that are sexy, so what would it take?
A new mainbody, maybe rail, feedneck, etc would be what you were looking for.
Also where can you find parts for these things?You can get some of it from AGD. Also hit up Tunaman or Rogue. They should be able to help you out. Also the B/S/T is a great way to find these items.

[trevorjk]

I have tried a few times, to understand them, but I need help, here is my problem..

Well first of all, why does NOBODY have an automag? I mean I never see them at feilds never saw one shoot in person.. But cockers are pretty common... Btw I shoot a cocker..

Only time I have ever seen a mag was when I was at a senario, me and this other guy were in the top of a castle and he was plucking people off, I was like wow how are you doing that and in a nerdy voice he says.. "its a mag" lol me and my friend joke at that all the time..

Anyways..

I tried to get into them but seem to always drift away.. I currently shoot cockers and phantoms, I have owned almost every type of marker out there, I just prefer these..

I understand how they work but this is what I don't understand..

Whats the diffrences with all the valves? there are classic valves and rt valves. classics can easily shoot close to 20 while the rt valves can shoot closer to 40 with in those 2 valves are a variety of different named valves such as RT Pro, X-Valve, E-Mag Valve, Retro Valve, X-Mag Valve, Tuna Valve, ect ect... basically different name same valve (except some aluminum some steel)

And the trigger frames? we are looking at 15 years of different frames made for mags. basically you have frames for the classic rail and frames for an rt rail. basically find the one that fits you best and the one you like most

And can you make a mag look like this

http://www.rawbutter.com/images/paintball/p-mag5.JPG

If it currently looks like this

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee156/AutoMaggerIX/Mag_1.jpg

yes

Not that thats what I want my mag to look like, its just that all I EVER See is thoes gray body ones, and I HATE THEM but there are others out there that are sexy, so what would it take?

you just gotta remember that there is over 10 years of making those grey, SS bodies. and to build a mag is FAR cheaper to get one of those bodies. and the body of the gun does not hinder performance at all. (except some will argue the powerfeed vs standard vs vert feed ect)

Also where can you find parts for these things?

did i cover everything?

[PBChappy]

that classic mag looks sexy

[MAGslinger]

Classic/Minimag group is by far the most affordable and they work off Co2. I bought both an X-Valve ULE Mag and a Minimag just for:

X-Valve ULE Mag:



I bought it for speed to replace my POS Autococker (which was such a POS that the only thing it was still good for was a pump conversion)

Minimag:



Ah, why did I blow a total of $270 for this one? Well, I wanted an extra Mag that could *theoretically* run off both co2/HPA. I'm not done with this one, I'm gonna make this into a "sniper" themed one, put a longer barrel and 12 gram changer on it. I bought the Minimag to replace my crappy A5. I was considering buying a Smart Parts SP1 , but I had second thoughts and I wanted to contribute to the state economy (y'all know I live a 35 minute drive away from AGD.)

I'm looking to parting with my Sniper, but I gotta wait until I find out S & H prices for it. Other than that, I'm gonna be packing these two for Rambo all day scenario at fox.

[Spencer]

thanks guys...

Anyways,, I think I realized I hate mini mags and classic mags.. I think anyways.. What exactly makes them diffrent from .... the other mags... Don't know what there called..

[trevorjk]

thanks guys...

Anyways,, I think I realized I hate mini mags and classic mags.. I think anyways.. What exactly makes them diffrent from .... the other mags... Don't know what there called..

the valve.

classic style valves are slower then the newer valves by 20bps. and the newer style valve can reach close to 40bps.

but both are used primarily on mech mags.

[cyrus-the-virus]

the valve.

classic style valves are slower then the newer valves by 20bps. and the newer style valve can reach close to 40bps.

but both are used primarily on mech mags.

Classic valves peak out somewhere in the high teens.

RT Valves peak out at about 26 (with 850 PSI input) 36 I think is the record with a 3000 PSI input pressure.

[questionful]

thanks guys...

Anyways,, I think I realized I hate mini mags and classic mags.. I think anyways.. What exactly makes them diffrent from .... the other mags... Don't know what there called..

You have to understand mags don't come in "models". They're just an assembly of parts. If you were to name every permutation it would be crazy, so they are named generally. What you don't like are steel bodies, not the mag itself. You can swap your classic or mini mag's body for another body and it would still be the same mag. And the two examples you gave with the links. They're completely different mags. Everything is different. There are no identical parts except for the screws. You can start with the classic and swap one part at a time, but in the end it will be a completely different mag.

Classic mag: means pretty much any mag with a classic valve
minimag: means pretty much any mag with the minimag body, it's the steel body with the extended, slotted body (just for looks)
micromag: any mag with PTP's "micromag" body. Combined with E-mag lowers, a "micro-E"
RT mag: means pretty much any mag with any of the following valves: RT, ReTro, RTpro Emag, Emaxx,
Tac one: any mag with the "tac one" body
Karta mag: any mag with a karta body and rail.
X-mag: this one is more of a "model" type mag, but loguzzzzz put a Z-frame on one, it went by "Z-mag"
Micromag, etc.
Z-mag: any mag with a Z-frame
Y-mag: any mag with a Y-frame
whatever mag: pretty much any mag
Emaggo: a mag with an adapted ego frame, with the solenoid tripping an MPA-3 (or MSV-2, I always get the two confused. it's the piston used in pneumags)
pneumag: uses an MPA-3 and MSV-2 and an LPR of your choice to pnumatically operate the sear.
my mag: any mag owned by me

you get the idea. You basically call a mag whatever you want, based on some of it's major parts or unique characteristics.

[Spencer]

Yea I understand partially,

I mean guess its just that whenever I see a mag I like it never has a classic valve I guess, why is this? Do better looking bodies only work with the other valves?

Also what parts are needed to build a pneumag?

[Spencer]

also where can I find a list of all the valves and the diffrences..

Also whats the level of the valve mean?

[grEnAlEins]

Many of us have gone to the X valve, or other RT style valve, for performance reasons. Many of us still use classic valves too though.

All bodies and rails work with all valves--save for the classic RT valve and rail, which only work with each other, but don't worry about that.

To build a pnuemag, you need an LPR, Barbs, LP Hoses, a Ram, A 2/3 way valve. There are some good threads in "The workshop." Do a forum search and you will find all sorts of good info.

Level 7 is the "stock" bolt setup for classic style valves. Level 10 or Level X is the anti chop bolt kit, which can require some know how and time to properly tune. Level 10 now comes with the X Valve.

[breg]

basically mags are about as modular as a marker comes.

[questionful]

To put it simply, X-valves are better. If someone has a nice-looking mag, it's because they were willing to put a lot of money into it, and if you're going to do that, you're going to get an X-valve. Besides, one of the advantages of classic valves is that they are made of steel, so they are used on guns meant to take a beating, oldschool (plenty cool) guns, guns meant to run CO2, etc, none of which usually lend themselves to fancy aluminum parts.

as far as I know, the first production mags were already level 5. I think the first four levels were prototypes with major bugs. Then there were levels 6 and 7 shortly afterwards, then they skipped to 10 around the 2000's or so. Don't know the details. But now you can have a level X X-valve!

[MournBlade]

Classic type valves are inexpensive and have been selling for 18 years. My Minimag valve is at least 13 years old if not older. I had to get a level 7 kit for it. X-valves and the like are more expensive thus less common. A classic valve can still rip a 12-15bps string so there is little reason to upgrade to an X-valve if you're staying mechanical.

The level 7 kit was to fix problems with level 5's and 6's
The level 10 kit prevents chopping at the cost of a shot of air.