XMOD Use Agreement (no legal garbage)

**behemoth** · 07-02-2008, 01:36 PM

Lorne,

At what point did you think it was a good idea for programmers? Was this not to be a profitable venture? Did you really think people would buy one, and NOT flash all their guns, their friends guns, and since this is a somewhat tight group of guys, their e-friends's guns? Or did you not care? Was this for the "betterment of the AGD Community?"

Hence why places like NOX will flash boards for a set 35 bucks.

If someone wanted something better than AGD3.2 (most everyone since that software has long since been outdated.) and was willing to pay 35-50 bucks to have their board flashed, dont you think they wouldve done it to other guns / told their friends?

If you wanted to make money, that was the way to go.
If you wanted to do this for the betterment of the community, or for any reason other than straight profit, the programmers are a good idea. But at what point can you reverse yourself, decide you wanted to make a profit instead, and try to say "Oh, well if you sell it. Take it off, and if you have it, give me 50 dollars. But i'm not going to force you...."

To me it just dont make sense.

**MANN** · 07-02-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by LorneCash

I have also promised to post the fully commented source code when the last of my programmers sell... I have 24 left and when they're gone they're gone and I'm washing my hands of this project.

So are you then stating that people can flash others markers for profit? Are you giving up your license agreement after the 24 that are left sell? Will you make any other programmers after the 24 are sold?

**going_home** · 07-02-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by LorneCash

The only way to get the software is to buy a programmer. I don't flash guns nor do I allow anyone who buys one of my programmers to flash guns. I know I can't enforce that but that is what I ask. I'm not trying to be mean I put a lot of hard work into this and it's only fair that I am the one that benefits from it.

Taken from here :

http://cgi.ebay.com/E-Mag-X-Mag-Ramp...3286.m14.l1318

Honestly I couldnt get the software on an Emag I had.
Its not as easy as its made out to be.
I dont have any Emags any more but this thread popping up after all this time seems to indicate money misfortunes by the inventor.

The genie is already out of the bottle now. The software should have been patented and sold on CD's instead of a free download. To little to late, to try and cash in now.
Dont act surprised because you got hammered when you posted this post.
Unfortunately because of the way you went about this project, this post will not make any friends in this forum for you. The criticism is deserved in my humble opinion.

I think its awesome software, and kudos to you, but this post was a bad idea sir.

**Tunaman** · 07-02-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Ruler_Mark

Yeap I do not do that anymore. I do agd software flashes for free, talking to lorne on a resolution for xmod flashes.

Edit: as to the license, He can alter/edit it at anytime.

Are you a Certified AGD Tech? If not, you have no right distributing AGD software either. This software is also copyrighted.

**LorneCash** · 07-02-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by MANN

So are you then stating that people can flash others markers for profit? Are you giving up your license agreement after the 24 that are left sell? Will you make any other programmers after the 24 are sold?

once they are sold I will not be making any more programmers or cables for anyone.

**robnix** · 07-02-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Ruler_Mark

Edit: as to the license, He can alter/edit it at anytime.

I don't see any license agreement that you need to agree to on his Ebay page, nor do I see one on his website that you need to agree to before downloading the software. I also I don't remember getting any licensing paperwork in the package I recieved when I bought mine, so what license did anyone purchasing the programmer agree to?

**behemoth** · 07-02-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by robnix

I don't see any license agreement that you need to agree to on his Ebay page, nor do I see one on his website that you need to agree to before downloading the software. I also I don't remember getting any licensing paperwork in the package I recieved when I bought mine, so what license did anyone purchasing the programmer agree to?

I'll take "None" for 500, Alex.

**flyingpootang** · 07-02-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by BigEvil

If it wasnt for the Xmod, the Emag would be dead and buried.

I'd would say dead in the water just with universal boards in them.

Come on AO where is the integrity that we all claim AO has over other forums

All that he's asking is you have the right morals, not give out the software for free, and pay him for what is fair. Just think if you where in his shoes.

Lorne: As a Xmod programmer owner I have sold emags in the past with your software on it. If I would have known that you wanted to be paid for each of them that didn't sell with the programmer, I would have flashed them with the stock software that it came with from AGD. Out of respect for you and your software I will honor your request from now on and forward you any money made from the benefit of your software. I hope you know that there are still honorable people on AO and hope to see more from you in the future......

AO: Do the right thing and stand by your values from this day forward. Pay Lorne for what he deserves.

**maniacmechanic** · 07-02-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by flyingpootang

I'd would say dead in the water just with universal boards in them.

Come on AO where is the integrity that we all claim AO has over other forums :confused:
All that he's asking is you have the right morals, not give out the software for free, and pay him for what is fair. Just think if you where in his shoes.

Lorne: As a Xmod programmer owner I have sold emags in the past with your software on it. If I would have known that you wanted to be paid for each of them that didn't sell with the programmer, I would have flashed them with the stock software that it came with from AGD. Out of respect for you and your software I will honor your request from now on and forward you any money made from the benefit of your software. I hope you know that there are still honorable people on AO and hope to see more from you in the future......

AO: Do the right thing and stand by your values from this day forward. Pay Lorne for what he deserves.

this is what i've been thinking through this whole thread , this is AO home of the straight up paintballer , that one of the big things to me about being a Magger ; honesty & integrity

**behemoth** · 07-02-2008, 04:56 PM

You all confuse me.

**hardr0ck68** · 07-02-2008, 04:59 PM

Some people have said "this software should have been patented" and implying that it was the programmers fault for trusting the purchasers...

isn't that the opposite of the AO community? Don't we usually get up in arms when SP or anyone else claims a PB technology as their own? The software he sells is the only real e-mag upgrade to hit for the last 5 years... and how does he get treated over that? He should have patented it if you wanted to get paid? Is that really where AO is at now??

**Beemer** · 07-02-2008, 05:13 PM

Finally after thirty seven posts in this thread, post thirty eight and thirty nine show the light.

Besides BigEvil where he quoted one of my posts.

Originally posted by Ruler_Mark

Yeap I do not do that anymore.

Ya but, but , but.....how many DID you do????

**Ruler_Mark** · 07-02-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Tunaman

Are you a Certified AGD Tech? If not, you have no right distributing AGD software either. This software is also copyrighted.

I doubt they can stop you from removing the flash off of the board and placing it on another. If this was an issue I presume I would have been contacted sooner. If I missed some license somewhere on it please lmk.

Originally posted by Beemer

Finally after thirty seven posts in this thread, post thirty eight and thirty nine show the light.

Besides BigEvil where he quoted one of my posts.

Ya but, but , but.....how many DID you do????

As I told Lorne in a pm, only 3 or 4 past my 2 personal emags and one of my friend's. You will be surprized how many emags have the code vs agd software. Everyone would think I have done alot etc but when you do not advertise something you will be surprized how many actually happen. I didnt want todo any flashes tbh, but if you can provide something for somone on a budget why not?

**behemoth** · 07-02-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Ruler_Mark

why not?

Because nowhere is it stated that you shouldnt. Infact, its been common practice since the software has been on the market.

Thats "why not"

**Beemer** · 07-02-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by behemoth

Because nowhere is it stated that you shouldnt. Infact, its been common practice since the software has been on the market.

Thats "why not"

Well yes, yes it is. I guess you just failed as others have to READ.

What part is it you dont understand again???????? Read the thread again.

Originally posted by LorneCash

The only way to get the software is to buy a programmer. I don't flash guns nor do I allow anyone who buys one of my programmers to flash guns. I know I can't enforce that but that is what I ask. I'm not trying to be mean I put a lot of hard work into this and it's only fair that I am the one that benefits from it.

Originally posted by Ruler_Mark

I doubt they can stop you from removing the flash off of the board and placing it on another. If this was an issue I presume I would have been contacted sooner. If I missed some license somewhere on it please lmk.

As I told Lorne in a pm, only 3 or 4 past my 2 personal emags and one of my friend's. You will be surprized how many emags have the code vs agd software. Everyone would think I have done alot etc but when you do not advertise something you will be surprized how many actually happen. I didnt want todo any flashes tbh, but if you can provide something for somone on a budget why not?

I would seriously love to engage you and goinghome and others in this thread but alas I will not. I will say this in hopes that you GET it. The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys and if you want to play you have to pay.

As far as AGD goes did you get permission to flash boards with their software????

XMOD Use Agreement (no legal garbage)

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