Has any ever tried to make a Titanium bolt for the Automag?

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  • questionful
    LNIB
    • Dec 2006
    • 1416

    #16
    I don't think titanium would be the best choice for a bolt. Whatever material you use, you'd probably have to use stainless steel inserts on the contact surfaces to address wear. This would be the edge that the sear catches, and depending on what material you use for the rest of the bolt, maybe a thin sleeve around the main part of the bolt. Maybe the bolt stem. But I think for a lighter bolt, the best way to go would be some sort of plastic with a stainless steel edge.

    Originally posted by egb groupie
    I was meaning more like adjusting the actual strength of the springs, versus the lvl 10 springs which are basically all the same spring, just in various lengths. Could be interesting experimenting with the lvl 7 bolt.
    As soon as you slide the valve into the mainbody, the spring is compressed to a certain length, no matter how long it was to begin with. The result is different strength springs. If you want a spring shorter than the gold spring, just cut it down.

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    • Bang and Breach
      SALTED MELONS
      • Jun 2008
      • 142

      #17
      Someone should make a bolt out of dragonforce, the hardest metal known to man.

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      • SR_matt
        Santa Sucks
        • Jun 2006
        • 1072

        #18
        ok titanium is no lighter than steel it is just that it is stronger thus you can use less. im not sure if the difference that you could gain in that small of a space and application would me very big. you could probably tweak the efficiency a touch up and gain a slightly faster cycle but the mag can already cycle well over 20 CPS and the efficiency, well lets be honest they are like jeeps... they can go any where do any thing take almost any hit but efficient they are not

        the mag inherently has the one design flaw of being thirsty when it comes to air. there are probably ways to gain a lot of efficiency using the same idea but with modifications through out, just many people do not think a lot of the changes will work or that the changes are hype.


        now all that being said, if i had the cash to buy a titanium bolt i might, just to say i had a titanium bolt... then again i also would take a Ti cocker and mag body and a 24 kt gold plate body for every gun i own.

        -matt

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        • ThePixelGuru
          Guru of Pixels
          • May 2005
          • 1461

          #19
          Originally posted by egb groupie
          I was meaning more like adjusting the actual strength of the springs, versus the lvl 10 springs which are basically all the same spring, just in various lengths. Could be interesting experimenting with the lvl 7 bolt.
          Yes, but when you compress the springs to the length of the bolt's travel they all become the same length, and the only thing that's different is the actual strength of the springs.

          Besides, you do that on a lvl7 and all you'll get is bolt stick, that's why the lvl10 has the vent so it can actually reset. There's a reason there aren't many aftermarket internals for the 'mag. AGD shot themselves in the foot in that department because they just made everything right the first time. The motto is "because quality always shoots straight," not "because quality shoots straight after you pour a couple hundred bucks into aftermarket parts kits we just should have included in the first place."

          I think there was an AGD tech who had a necklace made out of aftermarket parts he removed from people's 'mags in order to get them working again. Name escapes me, though.

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          • questionful
            LNIB
            • Dec 2006
            • 1416

            #20
            Originally posted by ThePixelGuru
            AGD shot themselves in the foot in that department because they just made everything right the first time. The motto is "because quality always shoots straight," not "because quality shoots straight after you pour a couple hundred bucks into aftermarket parts kits we just should have included in the first place."


            Originally posted by ThePixelGuru
            I think there was an AGD tech who had a necklace made out of aftermarket parts he removed from people's 'mags in order to get them working again. Name escapes me, though.
            I would LOVE to have a picture of that to put a caption on!

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            • Bang and Breach
              SALTED MELONS
              • Jun 2008
              • 142

              #21
              Originally posted by questionful




              I would LOVE to have a picture of that to put a caption on!

              I think there was an AGD tech who had a necklace made out of aftermarket parts he removed from people's 'mags in order to get them working again. Name escapes me, though.
              Dawn Mills owns that necklace.

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              • paint magnet
                Member # 10,261
                • Dec 2001
                • 2488

                #22
                Originally posted by Bang and Breach
                Someone should make a bolt out of dragonforce, the hardest metal known to man.
                Dragonforce is not that hard, just fast.

                Also, titanium is not harder than steel as most believe, it just has a higher strength-to-weight ratio. It's stronger than aluminum and lighter than steel, not stronger and lighter than both.

                Honestly, 90 percent of the "titanium" products on the market are just labeled that way because people have no idea about which items would benefit from its use. Take for example drill bits and hedge clippers with titanium coatings--the only real benfit would be corrosion resistance. Coating steel with titanium doesn't make it lighter or stronger. A lot of the "titanium coated" products I've seen are gold in color anyway, which just goes to show people will buy anything based on the name.
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                • Bang and Breach
                  SALTED MELONS
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 142

                  #23
                  [QUOTE=paint magnet]Dragonforce is not that hard, just fast.

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                  • SR_matt
                    Santa Sucks
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 1072

                    #24
                    Originally posted by paint magnet
                    Dragonforce is not that hard, just fast.

                    Also, titanium is not harder than steel as most believe, it just has a higher strength-to-weight ratio. It's stronger than aluminum and lighter than steel, not stronger and lighter than both.

                    Honestly, 90 percent of the "titanium" products on the market are just labeled that way because people have no idea about which items would benefit from its use. Take for example drill bits and hedge clippers with titanium coatings--the only real benfit would be corrosion resistance. Coating steel with titanium doesn't make it lighter or stronger. A lot of the "titanium coated" products I've seen are gold in color anyway, which just goes to show people will buy anything based on the name.
                    titanium can be gold n color, just requires either electrical anodizing or if it is a form of titanium (titanium oxide is white and titanium nitrate is black, color isnt the best way to judge necessarily)

                    titanium holds up to some things better but is much differant than steel and the temper of the metal is a much bigger thing that just what material it is, you can have a "Steel" piece that wont hold as much as an "aluminum" piece just because of the temper/ heat treat

                    -matt

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